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There is one snag in that plan. EU doesnt want UK back, at lest not for another 5-10 years.

by rasz 4y ago

maverick74 4y ago
I don't agree. I think IF UK says they want to get back into EU they'll say YES almost instantly. (ok, maybe a covenant or two... Like UK having to accept the euro, for example). But, from my POV, UK is just too desirable and powerful. (I don't belong to UK, by the way)
- georgeecollins 4y ago
  >> UK is just too desirable and powerful. That's why the UK had a particularly good deal in the EU and would have to accept a worse one to get back in if it were even possible. You have to consider that the EU is not monolithic. The UK that pushed to get southern and eastern countries into the union to grow the trade power of the customs union. France and some other EU countries probably would have preferred a more "core Europe" of countries of similar wealth and histories. France gains in many ways if the UK stays out. It becomes the only member that can really project military power. France and the UK were often at odds about what the EU should be.
  - jacooper 4y ago
    > France gains in many ways if the UK stays out. It becomes the only member that can really project military power. Until Germany wakes up from their dream, which it looks they did after the Ukrainian invasion and the 100 billion euro budget for the Bundeswehr. Its going to take time(if they stick with it), but if Germany continues to arm it self, I wouldn't be surprised if they become the new European superpower, maybe they just need Nuclear weapons at the end to seal the deal?(although I really doubt this will go down well with the population).
- SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
  > IF UK says they want to get back into EU they'll say YES almost instant UK as a full, voting member of the EU, on request? Not going to happen any time soon. Far too many downsides from the crazy brits. The UK would have to prove to the EU that they are going to be constructive, have worked all of the Brexit insanity out of their system and it wasn't coming back. This might take a while. UK as an "EU aligned rule-taker" that participates in the single market, without voting rights, a bit like Norway? Sure, that's an easy win for both parties.
brnt 4y ago
I don't think anyone in the EU is fundamentally against, but it seems reasonable to be worried about their 'staying power'. Nobody wants to go through entry and exit dances every few years. Also, it would be grand if British representatives would start showing up for meetings. Them being relatively uninvolved must have contributed to their sense of EU being unmanageable. Guess what: you gotta participate to exercise influence (and understand what's going on).
SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
The EU would welcome the UK capitulating and "aligning" to the EU any time. No, the UK won't have any voting power as a full member in the EU for quite a while, the EU will not allow that soon. 5-10 years seems optimistic IMHO.

There is one snag in that plan. EU doesnt want UK back, at lest not for another 5-10 years.

by rasz 4y ago

There is one snag in that plan. EU doesnt want UK back, at lest not for another 5-10 years.

I don't agree. I think IF UK says they want to get back into EU they'll say YES almost instantly. (ok, maybe a covenant or two... Like UK having to accept the euro, for example). But, from my POV, UK is just too desirable and powerful. (I don't belong to UK, by the way)

georgeecollins 4y ago
>> UK is just too desirable and powerful. That's why the UK had a particularly good deal in the EU and would have to accept a worse one to get back in if it were even possible. You have to consider that the EU is not monolithic. The UK that pushed to get southern and eastern countries into the union to grow the trade power of the customs union. France and some other EU countries probably would have preferred a more "core Europe" of countries of similar wealth and histories. France gains in many ways if the UK stays out. It becomes the only member that can really project military power. France and the UK were often at odds about what the EU should be.
- jacooper 4y ago
  > France gains in many ways if the UK stays out. It becomes the only member that can really project military power. Until Germany wakes up from their dream, which it looks they did after the Ukrainian invasion and the 100 billion euro budget for the Bundeswehr. Its going to take time(if they stick with it), but if Germany continues to arm it self, I wouldn't be surprised if they become the new European superpower, maybe they just need Nuclear weapons at the end to seal the deal?(although I really doubt this will go down well with the population).
SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago
> IF UK says they want to get back into EU they'll say YES almost instant UK as a full, voting member of the EU, on request? Not going to happen any time soon. Far too many downsides from the crazy brits. The UK would have to prove to the EU that they are going to be constructive, have worked all of the Brexit insanity out of their system and it wasn't coming back. This might take a while. UK as an "EU aligned rule-taker" that participates in the single market, without voting rights, a bit like Norway? Sure, that's an easy win for both parties.

brnt 4y ago

I don't think anyone in the EU is fundamentally against, but it seems reasonable to be worried about their 'staying power'. Nobody wants to go through entry and exit dances every few years. Also, it would be grand if British representatives would start showing up for meetings. Them being relatively uninvolved must have contributed to their sense of EU being unmanageable. Guess what: you gotta participate to exercise influence (and understand what's going on).

SideburnsOfDoom 4y ago

The EU would welcome the UK capitulating and "aligning" to the EU any time. No, the UK won't have any voting power as a full member in the EU for quite a while, the EU will not allow that soon. 5-10 years seems optimistic IMHO.