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FBI Raids Star ABC News Producer’s Home

68 points by programmarchy 4y ago

ehvatum 4y ago
There is clearly a story that the the FBI doesn’t want covered. That’s a problem.
- bombcar 4y ago
- epakai 4y ago
  Not clear at all. A journalist was raided and has said nothing about his current status except to withdraw from his apartment and work. The only seemingly questionable thing is a lack of charges, but he doesn't seem to be detained so it isn't necessary that he be charged
  - fortran77 4y ago
    That was my take. He’s not being detained and he chose not to comment on an ongoing investigation involving himself. There may not be a big deal here. The Rolling Stone has a history of fabrication and exaggeration, not Meek.
    - deleted 4y ago
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  - ehvatum 4y ago
    "Documents pertaining to the case remain sealed." Why? This tells me that the FBI is targeting this journalist because they don't like what he has to say. If this pattern of government behavior impacted a journalist in China, there would be little doubt as to why. I worry that the FBI is acting as a political praetorian guard.
boomboomsubban 4y ago
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derelicta 4y ago
adventured 4y ago
- mercy_dude 4y ago
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  - epakai 4y ago
    This is an extraordinary claim. What is so ruthless about the administration's actions? Who is being gone after?
    - greenhearth 4y ago
    - mercy_dude 4y ago
      > Who is being gone after? Donald Trump, Ronald DeSantis, Greg Abott all have been under aggressive FBI investigation. Nikki Haley had her tax records leaked to media. > what is so ruthless There are multiple cases where even the judges were objecting FBI actions why they had to aggressively raid the peoples home. https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/07/15/judge-questions-feds-tactics-in-navarro-arrest-00046085 https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/07/15/judge-questions...
      - mindslight 4y ago
        > Donald Trump, Ronald DeSantis, Greg Abott You're not helping your case by starting your list with three examples that have strong indications of criminality. Is law enforcement expected to not investigate criminals just because they're in or running for political office? It seems like it would be more straightforward for Republicans to just distance themselves from criminals, rather than closing ranks and adopting some post-reality persecution complex.
h2odragon 4y ago
a key fact is that this happened April 27. > An ABC representative tells Rolling Stone, “He resigned very abruptly and hasn’t worked for us for months.”
- jaywalk 4y ago
  I get that investigations take time, but I can't see any possible justification for the FBI to be silent six months later. Even if there's still an "ongoing investigation" the public has a right to know more than just the fact that the raid happened.
  - ajross 4y ago
    > the public has a right to know Um... no it doesn't? If the government chooses not to charge a crime, that's the end of the story. You don't have a right to other people's houses, papers and effects just because a warrant was issued for it. Sometimes law enforcement makes mistakes, and when that happens the correct and just result is just to forget the whole thing. Obviously if Meeks has something to say, he has a first amendment right to do so. But you don't get to know what the FBI took from him.
    - jaywalk 4y ago
      > Obviously if Meeks has something to say, he has a first amendment right to do so. Unless he's under a gag order, which wouldn't be at all surprising in a case like this. > But you don't get to know what the FBI took from him. Where did I suggest that?
      - ajross 4y ago
        OK, I see what you're trying to say. This is begging the question. You don't get to cite "the public has a right to know" as evidence that "he's under a gag order" unless you assume that he is. There's no evidence of a gag order or any other enforcement action beyond the raid itself, nor does the linked article provide any.
esotericimpl 4y ago
codefreeordie 4y ago
axiolite 4y ago
Seems like Tatiana thought there was an earth shattering story here, then turned up nothing. Had to make something of all the time wasted, so turned it into a shaggy dog story. Who cares that neighbors in the apartment building and co-workers are wondering what happened to Meek? I don't notify my neighbors when I leave, or check-in with former employers after quitting. Sounds like his lawyer is still in contact with Meek: “Mr. Meek is unaware of what allegations anonymous sources are making about his possession of classified documents,” his lawyer, Eugene Gorokhov, said in a statement. And he's the one complaining about details getting out: “It is highly inappropriate, and illegal, for individuals in the government to leak information about an ongoing investigation. We hope that the DOJ [Department of Justice] promptly investigates the source of this leak.” ...so apparently Meek doesn't want any publicity around this incident.
- mercy_dude 4y ago
  Umm it should concern everyone if FBI, a law enforcement agency with sweeping power, invades a journalist or a private individual’s house. This sort of normalization of FBI raids to individual citizens is bad for individual and civil liberties, the number of such raids have disproportionately grown over last decade. FBI is an agency known for broad abuse of power and the last thing we need is politicization and sweeping normalization of their abusive behaviours. Even as recent as July, a judge questioned their tactic of raiding a defendants hous instead of just asking them to turn themselves https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/07/15/judge-questions-feds-tactics-in-navarro-arrest-00046085 https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/07/15/judge-questions... If anything we need more oversight from media, not less. FBI is known to bypass any scrutiny like FISA warrants and rubber stamp things as they wish.
  - WoahNoun 4y ago
    FBI only has the power because a judge signed the search warrant. Hold the judges accountable.
    - badRNG 4y ago
      A judge's signature is a necessary but insufficient part of such raids. It is absolutely reasonable to hold an agency with a troubled past accountable, regardless of which judge rubber stamps the raids. Hold judges accountable, sure, but the spotlight should be on the agency.
yieldcrv 4y ago
Hasn’t been heard from by one person that he doesn’t want to talk to
Overtonwindow 4y ago
Suddenly vanishing like that, with that level of force.. It has to be related to something involving national security, or something where they think he might react in a bad way. However, considering how FBI raids have been conducted in the past, this could be about nothing at all, or it could be everything.

68 points by programmarchy 4y ago

ehvatum 4y ago

There is clearly a story that the the FBI doesn’t want covered. That’s a problem.

bombcar 4y ago
epakai 4y ago
Not clear at all. A journalist was raided and has said nothing about his current status except to withdraw from his apartment and work. The only seemingly questionable thing is a lack of charges, but he doesn't seem to be detained so it isn't necessary that he be charged
- fortran77 4y ago
  That was my take. He’s not being detained and he chose not to comment on an ongoing investigation involving himself. There may not be a big deal here. The Rolling Stone has a history of fabrication and exaggeration, not Meek.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
- ehvatum 4y ago
  "Documents pertaining to the case remain sealed." Why? This tells me that the FBI is targeting this journalist because they don't like what he has to say. If this pattern of government behavior impacted a journalist in China, there would be little doubt as to why. I worry that the FBI is acting as a political praetorian guard.

boomboomsubban 4y ago

https://archive.ph/0JJQp https://archive.ph/0JJQp

derelicta 4y ago

adventured 4y ago

mercy_dude 4y ago
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- epakai 4y ago
  This is an extraordinary claim. What is so ruthless about the administration's actions? Who is being gone after?
  - greenhearth 4y ago
  - mercy_dude 4y ago
    > Who is being gone after? Donald Trump, Ronald DeSantis, Greg Abott all have been under aggressive FBI investigation. Nikki Haley had her tax records leaked to media. > what is so ruthless There are multiple cases where even the judges were objecting FBI actions why they had to aggressively raid the peoples home. https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/07/15/judge-questions-feds-tactics-in-navarro-arrest-00046085 https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/07/15/judge-questions...
    - mindslight 4y ago
      > Donald Trump, Ronald DeSantis, Greg Abott You're not helping your case by starting your list with three examples that have strong indications of criminality. Is law enforcement expected to not investigate criminals just because they're in or running for political office? It seems like it would be more straightforward for Republicans to just distance themselves from criminals, rather than closing ranks and adopting some post-reality persecution complex.

h2odragon 4y ago

a key fact is that this happened April 27. > An ABC representative tells Rolling Stone, “He resigned very abruptly and hasn’t worked for us for months.”

jaywalk 4y ago
I get that investigations take time, but I can't see any possible justification for the FBI to be silent six months later. Even if there's still an "ongoing investigation" the public has a right to know more than just the fact that the raid happened.
- ajross 4y ago
  > the public has a right to know Um... no it doesn't? If the government chooses not to charge a crime, that's the end of the story. You don't have a right to other people's houses, papers and effects just because a warrant was issued for it. Sometimes law enforcement makes mistakes, and when that happens the correct and just result is just to forget the whole thing. Obviously if Meeks has something to say, he has a first amendment right to do so. But you don't get to know what the FBI took from him.
  - jaywalk 4y ago
    > Obviously if Meeks has something to say, he has a first amendment right to do so. Unless he's under a gag order, which wouldn't be at all surprising in a case like this. > But you don't get to know what the FBI took from him. Where did I suggest that?
    - ajross 4y ago
      OK, I see what you're trying to say. This is begging the question. You don't get to cite "the public has a right to know" as evidence that "he's under a gag order" unless you assume that he is. There's no evidence of a gag order or any other enforcement action beyond the raid itself, nor does the linked article provide any.

esotericimpl 4y ago

codefreeordie 4y ago

axiolite 4y ago

Seems like Tatiana thought there was an earth shattering story here, then turned up nothing. Had to make something of all the time wasted, so turned it into a shaggy dog story. Who cares that neighbors in the apartment building and co-workers are wondering what happened to Meek? I don't notify my neighbors when I leave, or check-in with former employers after quitting. Sounds like his lawyer is still in contact with Meek: “Mr. Meek is unaware of what allegations anonymous sources are making about his possession of classified documents,” his lawyer, Eugene Gorokhov, said in a statement. And he's the one complaining about details getting out: “It is highly inappropriate, and illegal, for individuals in the government to leak information about an ongoing investigation. We hope that the DOJ [Department of Justice] promptly investigates the source of this leak.” ...so apparently Meek doesn't want any publicity around this incident.

mercy_dude 4y ago
Umm it should concern everyone if FBI, a law enforcement agency with sweeping power, invades a journalist or a private individual’s house. This sort of normalization of FBI raids to individual citizens is bad for individual and civil liberties, the number of such raids have disproportionately grown over last decade. FBI is an agency known for broad abuse of power and the last thing we need is politicization and sweeping normalization of their abusive behaviours. Even as recent as July, a judge questioned their tactic of raiding a defendants hous instead of just asking them to turn themselves https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/07/15/judge-questions-feds-tactics-in-navarro-arrest-00046085 https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/07/15/judge-questions... If anything we need more oversight from media, not less. FBI is known to bypass any scrutiny like FISA warrants and rubber stamp things as they wish.
- WoahNoun 4y ago
  FBI only has the power because a judge signed the search warrant. Hold the judges accountable.
  - badRNG 4y ago
    A judge's signature is a necessary but insufficient part of such raids. It is absolutely reasonable to hold an agency with a troubled past accountable, regardless of which judge rubber stamps the raids. Hold judges accountable, sure, but the spotlight should be on the agency.

yieldcrv 4y ago

Hasn’t been heard from by one person that he doesn’t want to talk to

Overtonwindow 4y ago

Suddenly vanishing like that, with that level of force.. It has to be related to something involving national security, or something where they think he might react in a bad way. However, considering how FBI raids have been conducted in the past, this could be about nothing at all, or it could be everything.