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Apple: "Every iPad now has USB-C" Us: "Great, so we don't have to deal with that awful 1st-Gen Apple Pencil charging anymore?" Apple: https://www.apple.com/sh

by xd1936 4y ago

Apple: "Every iPad now has USB-C" Us: "Great, so we don't have to deal with that awful 1st-Gen Apple Pencil charging anymore?" Apple: https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MQLU3AM/A/usb-c-to-apple-pencil-adapter https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MQLU3AM/A/usb-c-to-apple-...

MBCook 4y ago
Yeah, insane choice. Here’s a visual from Twitter: https://twitter.com/_alexguyot/status/1582405085484953601 https://twitter.com/_alexguyot/status/1582405085484953601
- tambourine_man 4y ago
  To be fair, both are pretty bad solutions.
  - coder543 4y ago
    Yes, that's... exactly the point being made. The solution that every single iPad with USB-C used before today isn't pictured in that tweet, and it is far better. Apple made a really annoying choice here.
    - MBCook 4y ago
      Right. The Apple Pencil 2 (used on more expensive iPads) connects to the side of the iPad magnetically and charges that way. It looks nice and works fine. The original way (stick straight out of the port) worked but was always weird. They had a chance to fix it and… compromised? The “fixed” the iPad by going USB-C, which is good. They don’t have to redesign the first Pencil which is fine (it’s cheaper than v2) but that left them with… this. Very un-Apple. More than the original.
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bradgessler 4y ago
I wonder how many kids have swallowed the pencil cap.
- loloquwowndueo 4y ago
  Bad apple for not coating it in the nasty-tasting stuff used for Nintendo Switch game cards.
chongli 4y ago
The whole Apple Pencil situation is pretty annoying. The 1st Gen charging style is ridiculous and should never have been designed that way. The 2nd Gen, however, has another problem entirely: it drains the iPad's battery even when fully charged. Leaving it snapped to the side of the iPad overnight will destroy the standby time in order to keep the pencil at 100%. This is dumb! After a few days the iPad will be completely dead but the pencil will be 100%. Thanks, Apple! I wish they'd license the battery-free stylus technology from Wacom. Charging the pencil all the time is so annoying that I hate using it.
- coder543 4y ago
  My iPad mini (6th generation) drains in a few days without a Pencil attached to it, and nothing I've been able to do manages to improve standby time noticeably. I think your blame is misplaced on the Apple Pencil. Apple needs to fix standby time on iPadOS across the board.
  - chongli 4y ago
    There may be something else draining yours. Battery life is an Anna Karenina principle [1] problem. There are many possible causes of battery drain. There is only one way to have long-lasting battery: the absence of all those sources. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Karenina_principle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Karenina_principle
    - coder543 4y ago
      Yes, but all of that applies to you as well. At least two people have reported no battery drain with the Pencil attached: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33250550 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33250550 How certain are you that you've controlled all the variables? If the Pencil was the cause of a widespread issue, then I have to imagine lots of articles would be being written about this and Apple would be taking it seriously. As it is, I think that iPadOS just has a variety of things that can trigger bad battery life, and that's much harder for Apple to tackle than a single, easily-defined issue like the Apple Pencil affecting battery life would be.

by xd1936 4y ago

MBCook 4y ago

Yeah, insane choice. Here’s a visual from Twitter: https://twitter.com/_alexguyot/status/1582405085484953601 https://twitter.com/_alexguyot/status/1582405085484953601

tambourine_man 4y ago
To be fair, both are pretty bad solutions.
- coder543 4y ago
  Yes, that's... exactly the point being made. The solution that every single iPad with USB-C used before today isn't pictured in that tweet, and it is far better. Apple made a really annoying choice here.
  - MBCook 4y ago
    Right. The Apple Pencil 2 (used on more expensive iPads) connects to the side of the iPad magnetically and charges that way. It looks nice and works fine. The original way (stick straight out of the port) worked but was always weird. They had a chance to fix it and… compromised? The “fixed” the iPad by going USB-C, which is good. They don’t have to redesign the first Pencil which is fine (it’s cheaper than v2) but that left them with… this. Very un-Apple. More than the original.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]

bradgessler 4y ago

I wonder how many kids have swallowed the pencil cap.

loloquwowndueo 4y ago
Bad apple for not coating it in the nasty-tasting stuff used for Nintendo Switch game cards.

chongli 4y ago

The whole Apple Pencil situation is pretty annoying. The 1st Gen charging style is ridiculous and should never have been designed that way. The 2nd Gen, however, has another problem entirely: it drains the iPad's battery even when fully charged. Leaving it snapped to the side of the iPad overnight will destroy the standby time in order to keep the pencil at 100%. This is dumb! After a few days the iPad will be completely dead but the pencil will be 100%. Thanks, Apple! I wish they'd license the battery-free stylus technology from Wacom. Charging the pencil all the time is so annoying that I hate using it.

coder543 4y ago
My iPad mini (6th generation) drains in a few days without a Pencil attached to it, and nothing I've been able to do manages to improve standby time noticeably. I think your blame is misplaced on the Apple Pencil. Apple needs to fix standby time on iPadOS across the board.
- chongli 4y ago
  There may be something else draining yours. Battery life is an Anna Karenina principle [1] problem. There are many possible causes of battery drain. There is only one way to have long-lasting battery: the absence of all those sources. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Karenina_principle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Karenina_principle
  - coder543 4y ago
    Yes, but all of that applies to you as well. At least two people have reported no battery drain with the Pencil attached: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33250550 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33250550 How certain are you that you've controlled all the variables? If the Pencil was the cause of a widespread issue, then I have to imagine lots of articles would be being written about this and Apple would be taking it seriously. As it is, I think that iPadOS just has a variety of things that can trigger bad battery life, and that's much harder for Apple to tackle than a single, easily-defined issue like the Apple Pencil affecting battery life would be.