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Obviously not fast enough for Google since they literally invented a new programming language (Go) to address the compile time and runtime limitations of Java.

by ttfkam 4y ago

traceroute66 4y ago
> they literally invented a new programming language (Go) to address the compile time and runtime limitations of Java. And then ironically they then use a complex and runtime-heavy Java-based CI/CD to manage the compilation of their Go codebase. Go is great though, best bit is how its so useable for web-stuff out of the box. Unlike Rust where you have to spend half your life either re-inventing the wheel or choosing which of hundreds of crates you want to use to do stuff that should be part of stdlib.
fuckstick 4y ago
Of all the criticisms I’ve heard hurled at Java, compile time isn’t one of them. Have you actually used any of these things you comment on?
- vips7L 4y ago
  Javac isn't even an optimizing compiler. There's few things faster than it.
- ttfkam 4y ago
  I used to work for Google and have yet to see Java compile faster than Go.
thesuperbigfrog 4y ago
>> Obviously not fast enough for Google since they literally invented a new programming language (Go) to address the compile time and runtime limitations of Java. Go was created to overcome complexity issues and compile times of C++ (not Java): https://commandcenter.blogspot.com/2012/06/less-is-exponentially-more.html https://commandcenter.blogspot.com/2012/06/less-is-exponenti... https://go.dev/talks/2015/gophercon-goevolution.slide#4 https://go.dev/talks/2015/gophercon-goevolution.slide#4
- ttfkam 4y ago
  I misspoke (miswrote?). You are correct, it was created to address the issues Google had with C++ and—crucially—other internally supported languages like Java and Python could not adequately fill C++'s role. If Java could have filled this role in both compile time and memory efficiency, Go in all likelihood would never have been created. But yes, Go beats Java in compile-time speed as well.

Obviously not fast enough for Google since they literally invented a new programming language (Go) to address the compile time and runtime limitations of Java.

by ttfkam 4y ago

Obviously not fast enough for Google since they literally invented a new programming language (Go) to address the compile time and runtime limitations of Java.

traceroute66 4y ago

> they literally invented a new programming language (Go) to address the compile time and runtime limitations of Java. And then ironically they then use a complex and runtime-heavy Java-based CI/CD to manage the compilation of their Go codebase. Go is great though, best bit is how its so useable for web-stuff out of the box. Unlike Rust where you have to spend half your life either re-inventing the wheel or choosing which of hundreds of crates you want to use to do stuff that should be part of stdlib.

fuckstick 4y ago

Of all the criticisms I’ve heard hurled at Java, compile time isn’t one of them. Have you actually used any of these things you comment on?

vips7L 4y ago
Javac isn't even an optimizing compiler. There's few things faster than it.
ttfkam 4y ago
I used to work for Google and have yet to see Java compile faster than Go.

thesuperbigfrog 4y ago

>> Obviously not fast enough for Google since they literally invented a new programming language (Go) to address the compile time and runtime limitations of Java. Go was created to overcome complexity issues and compile times of C++ (not Java): https://commandcenter.blogspot.com/2012/06/less-is-exponentially-more.html https://commandcenter.blogspot.com/2012/06/less-is-exponenti... https://go.dev/talks/2015/gophercon-goevolution.slide#4 https://go.dev/talks/2015/gophercon-goevolution.slide#4

ttfkam 4y ago
I misspoke (miswrote?). You are correct, it was created to address the issues Google had with C++ and—crucially—other internally supported languages like Java and Python could not adequately fill C++'s role. If Java could have filled this role in both compile time and memory efficiency, Go in all likelihood would never have been created. But yes, Go beats Java in compile-time speed as well.