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I'm a tad frustrated. I love Apple and the Mac OS, but sometimes it really gets to be that the Mac space is a one supplier game. Apple has decided for me that
by mdasen 18y ago
I'm a tad frustrated. I love Apple and the Mac OS, but sometimes it really gets to be that the Mac space is a one supplier game. Apple has decided for me that I like glossy screens. I was pretty sure I hated them, but I guess Apple must be right. I also hate real buttons I guess. I'm looking forward to when Apple replaces my keyboard with a pretty glass piece as well.
I really need a new laptop (PowerBook is ready to kick the bucket), but at a certain point Apple needs to understand that some of its users are decently traditional and just really, really like the Mac OS. I feel like if Apple had to compete with other Mac OS players, I'd get a better deal and better products. Apple is making great things right now, but they're also trying to force you into a corner by saying "if you want the good Mac OS stuff, you have to put up with everything else we want to push on you".
Maybe I'm the only one who feels like Apple is getting arrogant with their marketshare. Maybe this isn't parallel to how Apple previously got arrogant and lost nearly all its marketshare. Maybe I don't want to go back to the dark days when I was openly mocked for my Mac choice.
- axod 18y ago"I also hate real buttons I guess" It is a real button. Did you not read the article/presentation etc? You can just decide that the bottom 1/3rd of the trackpad is the old button and keep using it just as you did with a satisfying click and small movement as before. As for matt screens.... meh
- timr 18y agoAFAICT, that's not a real button. That's a configurable pseudo-button. In particular, there doesn't appear to be tactile feedback -- the most important part of button-pressing for those of us old-school types who like to press buttons.
- m0digital 18y ago"No tactile feedback". The button goes down and clicks. What more tactile feedback is there for a button?
- timr 18y agoEvery source I've seen -- including the linked article -- describes it as a "glass multi-touch trackpad". This does not imply that it has tactile feedback, beyond the clicky noises (which aren't tactile). Where did you get your information?
- tsetse-fly 18y ago"...and we actually don't hate the all-clicking trackpad much at all. (If your thumb muscle memory makes you click at the bottom where the button used to be, it works and feels pretty much the same.)" It /feels/ the same as the old trackpad thus it has tactile feedback. The entire trackpad clicks. http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/14/apple-macbook-aluminum-and-glass-super-shiny-hands-on/ http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/14/apple-macbook-aluminum-an...
- timr 18y agoHey...can we please stop with the moderation flogging? I asked a question in good faith. Why all the down-voting?
- axod 18y ago"every source I've seen" you said, and you didn't even check the Apple website? What sources were you looking at???
- timr 18y agoI did check the apple site, but hadn't seen the video. The linked article didn't really describe it, nor did any of the half-dozen other articles I've read. The copy on the apple site is ambiguous -- saying that the trackpad "is the button" could mean a lot of things, including that the trackpad acts as the button (which is how I read it). It isn't an unreasonable interpretation.
- axod 18y agoSure, but that would be seriously lame.... "The trackpad is the button" meaning 'you can still do tap to click like you have been doing'? I guess they could make it more obvious that the trackpad is actually physically a button...
- unalone 18y agoI would guess that the glossy screen is necessary for the construction of the computer. Is glass-and-matte possible? (I'm not knowledgeable here; I might be wrong.)
- alaskamiller 18y agoNo Apple just has a hardon for glossy.
- LogicHoleFlaw 18y agoThe slides say that the screen overlay goes edge-to-edge and is glass. So I'd say that matte is not an option because the screen is behind a glass panel.
- unalone 18y agoAh. So matte is something that goes over a screen? In that case, yeah: what you said makes sense. I like the glass-over-everything aesthetic: it unifies everything. And losing matte is a shame, but I'll reserve criticism until I see the new Macbooks in action. If the screen really is bright enough to cancel out overbearing glare, then I'll forgive Apple for this. If not... then I'll just hope they have some revolutionary anti-glare thingie coming out soon.
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- DougBTX 18y agohttp://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/793754/2/istockphoto_793754_matte_glass_chess_board.jpg http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/793754/2/i... My guess is that they could, at the very least they could just add a matte coating. Also, they claim that the track pad is glass, and it certainly isn't shiny, though how an LCD would look through it I'm not 100% sure.
- Prrometheus 18y agoI won't use a glossy screen. If all Mac offers is glossy, then I won't use Mac. This is why I didn't get a Dell Ubuntu laptop.
- mechanical_fish 18y agoMaybe I'm the only one who feels like Apple is getting arrogant with their marketshare. Methinks you have cause and effect backwards. Apple's willingness to simplify their product line is the reason they have a growing marketshare. Apple's been making design decisions like this since Steve Jobs insisted on the one-button mouse. And left the floppy out of the original iMac. And released a notebook without a CD-ROM drive. You can't claim that this is something new. This is how Apple works. You can have any color so long as it's aluminum. Having to pay a premium for Firewire is what makes me unhappy, since I just bought more Firewire peripherals, including a Firewire-based audio interface. But... oh well. The good news is my old Macbook is still working just fine. When it finally kicks the bucket, I might as well spend the extra money on a Macbook Pro and get my Firewire. It's not as if I'll save any money by migrating to Windows on a Dell, or by trying to figure out if there's a 1password equivalent on Ubuntu and whether I can transfer my 250 stored passwords to it without retyping them all.
- jcl 18y agoYou can have any color so long as it's aluminum. Nice turn of phrase. The irony is that Ford made everything black because it was cheaper. Jobs is making everything aluminum because it acts as a distinguishing factor, so it lets him charge more... I imagine we're only a few years away from hardwood computers.
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- Alex3917 18y ago"I also hate real buttons I guess." First Steve came for my right mouse button, but I was silent; I did not need both mouse buttons...
- mattmaroon 18y agoLol @ connecting new Apple releases and the Holocaust.
- akd 18y agoIf the hardware bothers you that much just get a Dell and install Mac OS. Steve Jobs isn't going to send the FBI to your doorstep.
- pgebhard 18y agoI'm there with you on the lack of a matte display. I find it hard to believe that glare is not an issue to those with glossy screens. I think people simply deal with it because of our inherent draw towards that which is shiny...
- anr 18y agoMy thoughts exactly. For me, a glossy display is really hard to use, functionality is ruined. That's the way my brain is wired, I can't help it. I only hope that notebooks with matte displays don't disappear, and that I can install Linux on them.
- cpr 18y agoI thought I agreed with you, but then I got a MacBook Air, and I haven't noticed the gloss at all.
- modoc 18y agoYou should borrow one from a friend and try it for a few hours. I thought I'd hate it, but I absolutely love it. I've never had glare issues in an environment that wouldn't have totally washed out my old matte MacBookPro anyhow. For my use, the glossy screen has been an improvement 100% of the time.
- ojbyrne 18y agoPeople who like 17" screens were also not invited to the party.
- cbarning 18y agoWhy don't you buy the last generation of Macbook Pro which was the best machine until yesterday and it will have all the features you want(matte screen, real button, firewire) and you'll save a ton of cash if you go refurb. http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?sf=wHF2F2PHCCCX72KDY&nclm=CertifiedMac http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore....