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> Tell me you don’t use Copilot without telling me about it. You don't accept arguments against the use of Copilot from people unless they... use it? That's a
by remram 4y ago
> Tell me you don’t use Copilot without telling me about it.
You don't accept arguments against the use of Copilot from people unless they... use it?
That's a nifty way to ignore any and all criticism of Copilot, or indeed any discussion about any ethical issue ever.
- oefrha 4y agoThey should at least try to understand how it’s actually used, not imagining how it’s simply used to steal their largely replaceable code.
- xigoi 4y agoIt doesn't matter how it's used. Do you think Microsoft would be happy with someone training a model on Windows source code, as long as they didn't use it to reproduce the code?
- sangnoir 4y agoIf Microsoft were confident Copilot doesn't produce infringing code, they would have included the Windows and Office codebases in the training data. I wonder what will come out of discovery
- batmanturkey 4y ago“Their largely replaceable code” Smells like: “ I stole this lousy apple that wasn’t any good” Then why did you steal it? Put your money where your mouth is, Microsoft, train copilot on your own code!!! Don’t wanna train it with windows 11 code? Prefer to hijack others projects and use their for your needs and then pretend thst insulting others and calling their code worthless will get you off the hook???? Backfire
- woah 4y ago> Smells like: “ I stole this lousy apple that wasn’t any good” Then why did you steal it? The lousy code trained copilot in what a switch statement looks like so it can autocomplete mine for me
- tablespoon 4y ago>> Tell me you don’t use Copilot without telling me about it. > You don't accept arguments against the use of Copilot from people unless they... use it? > That's a nifty way to ignore any and all criticism of Copilot, or indeed any discussion about any ethical issue ever. "I only listen to people who agree with me, but to make that sound legitimate, I have a somewhat indirect way of saying so."
- cdrini 4y agoI believe the argument is that you shouldn't accept arguments against the use of copilot from people unless they have tried to use it. In a realistic context. That seems reasonable to me. It's the bare minimum to make an informed opinion. I think the wording was perhaps poor, but I think your interpretation is a little reductive/disingenuous.
- ranguna 4y agoI don't see how using copilot make the copyright question any less serious. Because it's useful, then it's not a problem? Well, it's also useful to send our non recyclable trash to 3rd world countries and every 1st World country should try it. It will definitely make the consequences less serious if everyone does it. Not apples to apples but I guess you get the picture.
- concordDance 4y agoBecause its a net good to the world its not a problem. It the benefit is orders of magnitude greater than the harm then its good.
- batmanturkey 4y agoIt’s a net harm for the programmers whose code is being willfully plagiarized. It’s a net boon for Microsoft in their efforts to rule the world. It’s a net loss for society and ethics. Open up copilot code, Microsoft, if you are so sure that everyone must wear transparent underwear let’s see you wearing some. Train copilot on windows 11 code. It’s not public domain. Truth matters. Lies matter
- onethought 4y agoExpand on the unethical part. So people published code that could be referenced and copied on GitHub. There was no ethical problem, the world, society were happy. Github make a convenient way to search and contextualise this publicly available code and paste it into your code (adjusting local scope, format, language along the way). Suddenly we have crossed an ethical line!? Which ethical line? Are you pretending people never copy and pasted open source code before copilot? Are you pretending open source code never copy and pasted other open source code? That we were in an ethically pure world until copilot came along?
- LtWorf 4y agoOn a different website I argued with a microsoft employee who said that copilot is great and so on and would not discuss unless I tried it. I tried telling that it requires a credit card number to try it but he didn't believe me… I guess the thought that non-microsoft employees have to pay for microsoft stuff didn't occur.