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No, sorry. I never meant to say that, tho I guess I could argue that by their very nature CoCs are exclusionary, and the longer they are the most exclusionary t

No, sorry. I never meant to say that, tho I guess I could argue that by their very nature CoCs are exclusionary, and the longer they are the most exclusionary they are being, at least in general, that is the entire point of them. I was trying to explain what I saw in my experience in their discord community. I don't remember the rules, or any specific interactions, it was just a overall leftist dog-whistling aura of if you are not like us you don't belong here. I never encountered anyone who was not friendly and accommodating, so while the server made me feel uncomfortable I was and remain ostentatiously a member because of being a big fan of the software product which I have used extensively for about 7 months now.

olliej 4y ago
An example of leftist dog whistle behaviour being..? Here’s the thing, many projects have adopted CoCs over the last few years because in the absence of specific documents saying “don’t be racist, sexist, antisemitic, transphobic, homophobic, …” there were people doing just that, and then saying it wasn’t against the rules. There a significant problem in which people have been trying to claim that racism, sexism, antisemitism, transphobia, homophobia, etc are a core part of their religion or political beliefs, and so must be allowed. These same groups make claims like giving gay or trans people the same rights as non-gay or non-trans people is somehow giving those people privileges. The reason they make those claims is solely to do a very classic trick employed by white supremacists, which is to claim that by not allowing them to dehumanize others you are discriminating against them. It’s a generally common refrain used by any group discriminating against any other group - from neonazis against Jews, Israelis vs Palestinians, to the jim Crow states against black people in the south. In all cases the group that wishes to discriminate claims that being denied the right to discriminate is itself discrimination.

olliej 4y ago

An example of leftist dog whistle behaviour being..? Here’s the thing, many projects have adopted CoCs over the last few years because in the absence of specific documents saying “don’t be racist, sexist, antisemitic, transphobic, homophobic, …” there were people doing just that, and then saying it wasn’t against the rules. There a significant problem in which people have been trying to claim that racism, sexism, antisemitism, transphobia, homophobia, etc are a core part of their religion or political beliefs, and so must be allowed. These same groups make claims like giving gay or trans people the same rights as non-gay or non-trans people is somehow giving those people privileges. The reason they make those claims is solely to do a very classic trick employed by white supremacists, which is to claim that by not allowing them to dehumanize others you are discriminating against them. It’s a generally common refrain used by any group discriminating against any other group - from neonazis against Jews, Israelis vs Palestinians, to the jim Crow states against black people in the south. In all cases the group that wishes to discriminate claims that being denied the right to discriminate is itself discrimination.