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Presumably all beliefs not their own, they definitely dog-whistled that not that I can speak to that directly. But they were clearly exclusionary to different s

Presumably all beliefs not their own, they definitely dog-whistled that not that I can speak to that directly. But they were clearly exclusionary to different sexuality/biology.

etchalon 4y ago
What sexualities do you believe they're excluding?
sjcoles 4y ago
It's open source! Don't like it fork it! Simple as that. You're not forced to work with anyone you don't want to for any reason. This always feels like a self tell for people with a very authoritarian mindset. Just because someone like yourself would use conduct to exclude individuals from participating does not mean that others will.
- wisnoskij 4y ago
  "You're not forced to work with anyone you don't want to for any reason." I think that is the point here. The developers had a disagreement, and now some of them and some community members, and a crowd of previous completely uninterested people are now sending death threats and spamming the forums and github. Some people do not seem to think that their is enough room in this world for disagreement and deciding to work separately.
  - thunderfork 4y ago
  - 71bw 4y ago
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IntelMiner 4y ago
This feels very "I made a transphobic comment and got removed"
olliej 4y ago
I asked, what are examples of beliefs that are excluded by CoCs? Most CoCs I've seen simply state a variation of "don't be an asshole", "don't act like some people aren't actually humans", etc - which seems reasonable to me: being an asshole drives away contributors, treating some people as subhuman has a similar effect. I have yet to see a CoC that limits beliefs (e.g. "no christians", "no muslims", "no atheists"), nor politics (e.g. "no democrats", "no republicans", etc), nor any other group really - I have certainly never seen any CoC that excluded sexuality or biology, and I would love an example because I think that kind of discrimination is important to acknowledge and avoid. I'm sure that you could find some smaller projects that do shit like the above, but by and large CoCs are generally boring "respect other people in the community" drivel.
- jeroenhd 4y ago
  You can read the CoC here: https://github.com/PolyMC/PolyMC/blob/aecd158d3c9fce7e42143cba6e20e99a73576f75/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md https://github.com/PolyMC/PolyMC/blob/aecd158d3c9fce7e42143c... Doesn't seem to exclude any normal behaviour. Considering the torrent of transphobic posts related to this issue, this could be a hostile account takeover or maybe a transphobic developer. I associate the language used here with 4chan above all else, though some far-right groups use the same lingo.
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- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  The SQLite CoE[1] comes to mind. It is the one that gets closest to exclusionary[2], but even so it's still generally well-regarded on HN when it's discussed.[3][4]. 1. https://sqlite.org/codeofethics.html https://sqlite.org/codeofethics.html 2. In that it assumes a Christian God. Rules: 1, 10, 21, 41, 42, 49, 50, 58, 60, 62, 70, 72. 3. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18273530 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18273530 4. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18313131 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18313131

Presumably all beliefs not their own, they definitely dog-whistled that not that I can speak to that directly. But they were clearly exclusionary to different sexuality/biology.

etchalon 4y ago

What sexualities do you believe they're excluding?

sjcoles 4y ago

It's open source! Don't like it fork it! Simple as that. You're not forced to work with anyone you don't want to for any reason. This always feels like a self tell for people with a very authoritarian mindset. Just because someone like yourself would use conduct to exclude individuals from participating does not mean that others will.

wisnoskij 4y ago
"You're not forced to work with anyone you don't want to for any reason." I think that is the point here. The developers had a disagreement, and now some of them and some community members, and a crowd of previous completely uninterested people are now sending death threats and spamming the forums and github. Some people do not seem to think that their is enough room in this world for disagreement and deciding to work separately.
- thunderfork 4y ago
- 71bw 4y ago
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IntelMiner 4y ago

This feels very "I made a transphobic comment and got removed"

olliej 4y ago

I asked, what are examples of beliefs that are excluded by CoCs? Most CoCs I've seen simply state a variation of "don't be an asshole", "don't act like some people aren't actually humans", etc - which seems reasonable to me: being an asshole drives away contributors, treating some people as subhuman has a similar effect. I have yet to see a CoC that limits beliefs (e.g. "no christians", "no muslims", "no atheists"), nor politics (e.g. "no democrats", "no republicans", etc), nor any other group really - I have certainly never seen any CoC that excluded sexuality or biology, and I would love an example because I think that kind of discrimination is important to acknowledge and avoid. I'm sure that you could find some smaller projects that do shit like the above, but by and large CoCs are generally boring "respect other people in the community" drivel.

jeroenhd 4y ago
You can read the CoC here: https://github.com/PolyMC/PolyMC/blob/aecd158d3c9fce7e42143cba6e20e99a73576f75/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md https://github.com/PolyMC/PolyMC/blob/aecd158d3c9fce7e42143c... Doesn't seem to exclude any normal behaviour. Considering the torrent of transphobic posts related to this issue, this could be a hostile account takeover or maybe a transphobic developer. I associate the language used here with 4chan above all else, though some far-right groups use the same lingo.
- phonicate 4y ago
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kelseyfrog 4y ago
The SQLite CoE[1] comes to mind. It is the one that gets closest to exclusionary[2], but even so it's still generally well-regarded on HN when it's discussed.[3][4]. 1. https://sqlite.org/codeofethics.html https://sqlite.org/codeofethics.html 2. In that it assumes a Christian God. Rules: 1, 10, 21, 41, 42, 49, 50, 58, 60, 62, 70, 72. 3. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18273530 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18273530 4. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18313131 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18313131