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That won't address compulsive gamblers and therefore won't address the problems identified in a material way. As someone who worked in a very popular convenien

That won't address compulsive gamblers and therefore won't address the problems identified in a material way. As someone who worked in a very popular convenience store north of the University of Texas campus for four years during college, I watched them gamble obscene amounts while obviously living in poverty. I believe the compulsive gamblers will still be driven to gamble away as much of their available cash as they possibly can. (I didn't downvote you)

Dylan16807 4y ago
Banning other lotteries should make it much harder for those people to get hooked in the first place, shouldn't it?
- jason-phillips 4y ago
  I believe they'll still find a way, as the article describes. There will be an unmet need and potential market that will be satisfied, outside the bounds of what's lawful.
- parineum 4y ago
  Lotteries were originally run by organized crime. Legalizing state run lotteries was essentially the cure for that.
  - chucksta 4y ago
    You think lotteries are only 100 years old? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lottery#Early_United_States_1612%E2%80%931900 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lottery#Early_United_States_16... >Lotteries in colonial America played a significant part in the financing of both private and public ventures. It has been recorded that more than 200 lotteries were sanctioned between 1744 and 1776, and played a major role in financing roads, libraries, churches, colleges, canals, bridges, etc.[5] In the 1740s, the foundation of Princeton and Columbia Universities was financed by lotteries, as was the University of Pennsylvania by the Academy Lottery in 1755.
  - moistly 4y ago
    > Lotteries were originally run by organized crime. In BC, they still are. “B.C. disbanded RCMP unit after report warned possible crime figure bought stake in casino” https://globalnews.ca/news/6403415/organized-crime-bc-casinos-rcmp-report/ https://globalnews.ca/news/6403415/organized-crime-bc-casino... “BC Lottery Corp. didn’t block mysterious casino cash due to ‘hundreds of millions’ in estimated losses: inquiry” https://globalnews.ca/news/7607782/bc-lottery-corporation-mysterious-cash-cullen-commission/ https://globalnews.ca/news/7607782/bc-lottery-corporation-my... “Lottery corporation was aware of suspicious cash at B.C. casinos, former VP says” https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/ex-lottery-vp-briefing-money-laundering-provincial-casinos-1.5889066 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/ex-lottery-v... “B.C. lottery CEO 'blown away' by organized crime threat” https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-lottery-ceo-blown-away-by-organized-crime-threat-1.5286858 https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-lottery-ceo-blown-away-by-organize... Our previous government was literally criminal. An excellent investigative journalist wrote a book about it. Well worth becoming aware of what went on. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57427971-wilful-blindness https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57427971-wilful-blindnes...
  - ixwt 4y ago
    There are ways to make Lotteries fair, even without it being state sponsored. For example, the old Numbers[0] games often used public, hard to influence sources. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdIzYtnKDII https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdIzYtnKDII
- phil21 4y ago
  One of the big reasons state lotteries got enacted was to make it much harder for illegal gambling dens to operate. If there were legal means to gamble, people would choose that - so the theory goes. Harm reduction of sorts was the major selling point in my state when I was a kid.
  - kibwen 4y ago
    Gambling in general was much more broadly illegal back when the first state lotteries were established. Nowadays, there are many legal ways to gamble in the US.
- colinmhayes 4y ago
  Is congress even given the power to ban lotteries? Tenth amendment gives all power not delegated to congress to the states. Unless lottery is interstate commerce it's not delegated to congress.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    Unless you have a plan to undo Wickard v. Filburn, yes they have the authority.
    - colinmhayes 4y ago
      Wickard actually had to do with interstate commerce though. Filburn's actions could reasonably cause interstate grain prices to go down. What's interstate about a state run lottery?
      - Dylan16807 4y ago
        Moving money between people has just as much effect on interstate commerce as growing your own grain for personal use.
kibwen 4y ago
I'm not proposing to ban the lotteries at a federal level. If states want to try to enforce bans on private lotteries, then let them try. My objection is to for-profit state-run lotteries that exploit gambling addicts. We can have a general discussion about gambling addiction if you like, but even if it's legal the state doesn't need to actively make the problem worse.

Dylan16807 4y ago

Banning other lotteries should make it much harder for those people to get hooked in the first place, shouldn't it?

jason-phillips 4y ago
I believe they'll still find a way, as the article describes. There will be an unmet need and potential market that will be satisfied, outside the bounds of what's lawful.
parineum 4y ago
Lotteries were originally run by organized crime. Legalizing state run lotteries was essentially the cure for that.
- chucksta 4y ago
  You think lotteries are only 100 years old? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lottery#Early_United_States_1612%E2%80%931900 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lottery#Early_United_States_16... >Lotteries in colonial America played a significant part in the financing of both private and public ventures. It has been recorded that more than 200 lotteries were sanctioned between 1744 and 1776, and played a major role in financing roads, libraries, churches, colleges, canals, bridges, etc.[5] In the 1740s, the foundation of Princeton and Columbia Universities was financed by lotteries, as was the University of Pennsylvania by the Academy Lottery in 1755.
- moistly 4y ago
  > Lotteries were originally run by organized crime. In BC, they still are. “B.C. disbanded RCMP unit after report warned possible crime figure bought stake in casino” https://globalnews.ca/news/6403415/organized-crime-bc-casinos-rcmp-report/ https://globalnews.ca/news/6403415/organized-crime-bc-casino... “BC Lottery Corp. didn’t block mysterious casino cash due to ‘hundreds of millions’ in estimated losses: inquiry” https://globalnews.ca/news/7607782/bc-lottery-corporation-mysterious-cash-cullen-commission/ https://globalnews.ca/news/7607782/bc-lottery-corporation-my... “Lottery corporation was aware of suspicious cash at B.C. casinos, former VP says” https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/ex-lottery-vp-briefing-money-laundering-provincial-casinos-1.5889066 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/ex-lottery-v... “B.C. lottery CEO 'blown away' by organized crime threat” https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-lottery-ceo-blown-away-by-organized-crime-threat-1.5286858 https://bc.ctvnews.ca/b-c-lottery-ceo-blown-away-by-organize... Our previous government was literally criminal. An excellent investigative journalist wrote a book about it. Well worth becoming aware of what went on. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57427971-wilful-blindness https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/57427971-wilful-blindnes...
- ixwt 4y ago
  There are ways to make Lotteries fair, even without it being state sponsored. For example, the old Numbers[0] games often used public, hard to influence sources. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdIzYtnKDII https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdIzYtnKDII
phil21 4y ago
One of the big reasons state lotteries got enacted was to make it much harder for illegal gambling dens to operate. If there were legal means to gamble, people would choose that - so the theory goes. Harm reduction of sorts was the major selling point in my state when I was a kid.
- kibwen 4y ago
  Gambling in general was much more broadly illegal back when the first state lotteries were established. Nowadays, there are many legal ways to gamble in the US.
colinmhayes 4y ago
Is congress even given the power to ban lotteries? Tenth amendment gives all power not delegated to congress to the states. Unless lottery is interstate commerce it's not delegated to congress.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  Unless you have a plan to undo Wickard v. Filburn, yes they have the authority.
  - colinmhayes 4y ago
    Wickard actually had to do with interstate commerce though. Filburn's actions could reasonably cause interstate grain prices to go down. What's interstate about a state run lottery?
    - Dylan16807 4y ago
      Moving money between people has just as much effect on interstate commerce as growing your own grain for personal use.

kibwen 4y ago

I'm not proposing to ban the lotteries at a federal level. If states want to try to enforce bans on private lotteries, then let them try. My objection is to for-profit state-run lotteries that exploit gambling addicts. We can have a general discussion about gambling addiction if you like, but even if it's legal the state doesn't need to actively make the problem worse.