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I'm still missing why this product exists. I have what will probably be an unpopular opinion or theory. This device would fill the gap for hold-outs like me t

I'm still missing why this product exists. I have what will probably be an unpopular opinion or theory. This device would fill the gap for hold-outs like me that don't want a modern vehicle and/or their current vehicle is working fine but is not network connected. Even if the current version did not have GPS, I am certain future versions would silently add it. Track location, speed, what businesses one visits, etc... That is potentially quite valuable data. There will probably be a free version that is paid for with tax revenue or perhaps a free version included with an insurance policy. If the hard wired version is powered by the OBD-II connector that would plug the gap for the proposed OBD-III GPS enabled diagnostics that never really gained traction and could be used to disable the vehicle.

MBCook 4y ago
It’s very valuable data. But you won’t control it, or get paid for it. Or a discount for it. Ignoring my snark in a comment above, the one real benefit is someone can’t easily steal your registration sticker. They’d have to steal the whole setup. Sticker theft isn’t a thing where I live (that I’m aware of), so that leaves me personally without a single benefit besides the idea appealing to me for being “neat”/“techy”. Which doesn’t begin to compare with the problems. I’d be iffy/worried if this was a 100% government thing. The race a private company is involved/started it is so much worse.
- hakfoo 4y ago
  The entire sticker concept seems dated. The primary benefit coloured stickers seem to have would that it allows extremely low-effort police fishing-- wrong colour plate corner, great excuse to hassle someone in the wrong neigbourhood/car/skin colour. It maybe made sense back in 1970, back when there was no easy way to validate a plate in real-time. But today, I'm assuming that in any meaningful traffic-stop interaction, they phone home to check the plate before even leaving the cop car, to confirm it wasn't marked stolen or in an Amber Alert style scenario. Adding on "is this plate current, and should it be attached to a Hyundai Sonata according to registration files" is an obvious extension. I'm assuming they have the bandwidth and connectivity to pull that off. Then you save all the cost of mailing out and managing stickers, and the wasted police effort chasing people who are waiting for them in the mail/had them damaged.
  - muttled 4y ago
    In some cities (I know Chicago) they have automated license plate readers on at least some police cars, and handheld scanners for traffic enforcement. Walking or driving past and it pings? Easy ticket. Even for out of state cars.
    - MBCook 4y ago
      Can LPRs tell what state a plate is from? Seems like with all the custom plate designs for various causes and simple design changes over the last 10 years it would be a thorny problem.
metadat 4y ago
Howdy Bender, Out of curiosity, which vehicle model(s)/year(s) do you own or fancy? P.s. do you have a contact email? You post a lot of interesting content! Would love to keep in touch. MD
- LinuxBender 4y ago
  I have an old vehicle that I have kept running rebuilt engine, transmission, drive train, etc... I fancy vessels that keeps control in the hands of the operator and that do not have loose lips [1]. I don't fancy anything that is drive-by-wire capable. My obfuscated email is in my profile but I don't really check it and I rarely ever maintain correspondence with folks outside of HN threads. [1] - https://wikiless.org/wiki/Loose_lips_sink_ships?lang=en https://wikiless.org/wiki/Loose_lips_sink_ships?lang=en

MBCook 4y ago

It’s very valuable data. But you won’t control it, or get paid for it. Or a discount for it. Ignoring my snark in a comment above, the one real benefit is someone can’t easily steal your registration sticker. They’d have to steal the whole setup. Sticker theft isn’t a thing where I live (that I’m aware of), so that leaves me personally without a single benefit besides the idea appealing to me for being “neat”/“techy”. Which doesn’t begin to compare with the problems. I’d be iffy/worried if this was a 100% government thing. The race a private company is involved/started it is so much worse.

hakfoo 4y ago
The entire sticker concept seems dated. The primary benefit coloured stickers seem to have would that it allows extremely low-effort police fishing-- wrong colour plate corner, great excuse to hassle someone in the wrong neigbourhood/car/skin colour. It maybe made sense back in 1970, back when there was no easy way to validate a plate in real-time. But today, I'm assuming that in any meaningful traffic-stop interaction, they phone home to check the plate before even leaving the cop car, to confirm it wasn't marked stolen or in an Amber Alert style scenario. Adding on "is this plate current, and should it be attached to a Hyundai Sonata according to registration files" is an obvious extension. I'm assuming they have the bandwidth and connectivity to pull that off. Then you save all the cost of mailing out and managing stickers, and the wasted police effort chasing people who are waiting for them in the mail/had them damaged.
- muttled 4y ago
  In some cities (I know Chicago) they have automated license plate readers on at least some police cars, and handheld scanners for traffic enforcement. Walking or driving past and it pings? Easy ticket. Even for out of state cars.
  - MBCook 4y ago
    Can LPRs tell what state a plate is from? Seems like with all the custom plate designs for various causes and simple design changes over the last 10 years it would be a thorny problem.

metadat 4y ago

Howdy Bender, Out of curiosity, which vehicle model(s)/year(s) do you own or fancy? P.s. do you have a contact email? You post a lot of interesting content! Would love to keep in touch. MD

LinuxBender 4y ago
I have an old vehicle that I have kept running rebuilt engine, transmission, drive train, etc... I fancy vessels that keeps control in the hands of the operator and that do not have loose lips [1]. I don't fancy anything that is drive-by-wire capable. My obfuscated email is in my profile but I don't really check it and I rarely ever maintain correspondence with folks outside of HN threads. [1] - https://wikiless.org/wiki/Loose_lips_sink_ships?lang=en https://wikiless.org/wiki/Loose_lips_sink_ships?lang=en