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While I don't own a Tesla nor have I ever even been in one, I've seen plenty of videos of Tesla's full self drive in action, and it is doing incredibly well!

While I don't own a Tesla nor have I ever even been in one, I've seen plenty of videos of Tesla's full self drive in action, and it is doing incredibly well! Driving is not a 1+1 operation. Real life is messy and their system seems to handle that mess pretty damn well for many many scenarios. I feel like people attack full self driving as if it's supposed to be better than humans on day 1, meanwhile the definition of better is impossible to agree upon.

fragmede 4y ago
People attack self driving because if a car hits you, you're dead or greviously injured.
- stevenhuang 4y ago
  That's different from a human driver how exactly?
  - badlucklottery 4y ago
    >That's different from a human driver how exactly? We have many decades of experience with human drivers and generally understand their shortcomings and how/when they fail. Self-driving systems tend to fail due to weird edge cases of their systems that humans can't perceive. Tesla's FSD will navigate tight, winding neighborhood roads with ease then it'll try to steer you into a construction zone on a mostly empty interstate. Weeks later they'll push an update that handles the interstate well but regresses in the neighborhood.
    - cwillu 4y ago
      That is to say, we have many decades of experience with human drivers running into walls and humans, and have largely given up on the problem and instead focus on making the car crumple instead of the thing it hits.
      - badlucklottery 4y ago
        >have largely given up on the problem That's a separate issue you're conflating. Human drivers have known weaknesses and known workarounds. Have a super dangerous stretch of road? Add loads and loads of bright orange signs for miles before with flashing lights. Still doesn't work? Close the road and redesign it according to what humans can reasonable handle. AIs are still so raw those weaknesses change on a regular basis and so opaque that no one is even trying to develop workarounds.
        TEP_Kim_Il_Sung 4y ago
        Wouldn't it be better to get traffic directing AI for local spots? It could specialize for a specific intersection, and assist cars passing through it.
hotpotamus 4y ago
Are we still on day 1 of self driving?
- GenerocUsername 4y ago
  Yes. Is it a BETA you have to OPT into, sign an agreement, keep your hands on the wheel etc...

fragmede 4y ago

People attack self driving because if a car hits you, you're dead or greviously injured.

stevenhuang 4y ago
That's different from a human driver how exactly?
- badlucklottery 4y ago
  >That's different from a human driver how exactly? We have many decades of experience with human drivers and generally understand their shortcomings and how/when they fail. Self-driving systems tend to fail due to weird edge cases of their systems that humans can't perceive. Tesla's FSD will navigate tight, winding neighborhood roads with ease then it'll try to steer you into a construction zone on a mostly empty interstate. Weeks later they'll push an update that handles the interstate well but regresses in the neighborhood.
  - cwillu 4y ago
    That is to say, we have many decades of experience with human drivers running into walls and humans, and have largely given up on the problem and instead focus on making the car crumple instead of the thing it hits.
    - badlucklottery 4y ago
      >have largely given up on the problem That's a separate issue you're conflating. Human drivers have known weaknesses and known workarounds. Have a super dangerous stretch of road? Add loads and loads of bright orange signs for miles before with flashing lights. Still doesn't work? Close the road and redesign it according to what humans can reasonable handle. AIs are still so raw those weaknesses change on a regular basis and so opaque that no one is even trying to develop workarounds.
      - TEP_Kim_Il_Sung 4y ago
        Wouldn't it be better to get traffic directing AI for local spots? It could specialize for a specific intersection, and assist cars passing through it.

hotpotamus 4y ago

Are we still on day 1 of self driving?

GenerocUsername 4y ago
Yes. Is it a BETA you have to OPT into, sign an agreement, keep your hands on the wheel etc...