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"We think we can do self driving in a year" (very unrealistic prediction) versus "we have a working truck prototype" (literally false). Being an optimist isn't

by 0xy 4y ago

"We think we can do self driving in a year" (very unrealistic prediction) versus "we have a working truck prototype" (literally false). Being an optimist isn't fraud.

ahahahahah 4y ago
Kwpolska 4y ago
Cybertruck? Twitter? Hyperloop? Is the Las Vegas thing with slow Teslas in a tunnel not fraud?
- coffeeblack 4y ago
  No, it’s a tunnel for cheap where cars carry people. It’s not a hyperloop, no idea why you use that work in the context.
  - skinnymuch 4y ago
    Vegas Loop — How is it for cheap? Did you see the costs? The costs weren’t for what the tunnel is outputting right now. Even with more Teslas, the tunnel hourly output is too little to hit the contract milestones Boring Co set with Vegas. It is a massive failure and seems like a con or fraud to just get Tesla more mindshare. Also. Who’s paying the drivers? That’s a lot of drivers driving all day. This was never part of the deal as it was supposed to be automated. So whoever is paying the drivers is not doing anything for cheap.
TheLoafOfBread 4y ago
Lol, so FSD is already working or is it still crashing left and right? But according to Musk it is solved problem since 2016 and you can buy it. This is not optimism, this is outright lying to sell something what does not exist. Also called fraud.
- fastball 4y ago
  FSD is definitely not crashing left and right. How many crashes total do you think there have been on FSD?
rvz 4y ago
So why did he pay for the fraud charges against him then for his misleading tweets? [0] > Musk and Tesla have agreed to settle the charges against them without admitting or denying the SEC’s allegations. He knew he committed securities fraud, and now he is under federal investigation over the Twitter deal. There is no need to be a Elon apologist, since everyone knows he is a fraudster. That is before I mentioned about the FSD scandals. [0] https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-226 https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-226
- fastball 4y ago
  Because the SEC has the power to prevent him from running publicly traded companies, so he settled rather than risk that.
gizmo 4y ago
Musk knew at the time fsd was nowhere close to working every time he asserted that buying a tesla was a great investment that would make money for you as an autonomous taxi. Blatant fraud, no question about it.
IshKebab 4y ago
True, but I would say pre-selling FSD for years in the full knowledge that they wouldn't be able to deliver is is fraud.
- fastball 4y ago
  FSD doesn't work until it does. How does anyone have "full knowledge" that they won't be able to deliver? One breakthrough and you're done. Tesla is taking the money people are paying them for FSD and using it to... build an FSD system. They are hiring top talent, developing new ML architectures, developing new training hardware, developing new inference hardware, and overall just spending more money on the problem than any other company. Having a hard time understanding how spending people's money on the thing you say you're spending it on is "fraud".
  - IshKebab 4y ago
    > How does anyone have "full knowledge" that they won't be able to deliver? By talking to experts? Or even people just vaguely familiar with the field. It was obvious at the time that it would take far far longer than most driverless car companies and the press were saying. Frankly you don't even need any engineering knowledge to see that. Just go for a drive. There are countless situations that basically require human-level intelligence and nobody would have believed Musk saying he was a year away from that.
europeanguy 4y ago
That's one of the claims he made. Another one is > This is something we can do _now_ (Referring to his self-driving truck convoy)

by 0xy 4y ago

"We think we can do self driving in a year" (very unrealistic prediction) versus "we have a working truck prototype" (literally false). Being an optimist isn't fraud.

ahahahahah 4y ago

Kwpolska 4y ago

Cybertruck? Twitter? Hyperloop? Is the Las Vegas thing with slow Teslas in a tunnel not fraud?

coffeeblack 4y ago
No, it’s a tunnel for cheap where cars carry people. It’s not a hyperloop, no idea why you use that work in the context.
- skinnymuch 4y ago
  Vegas Loop — How is it for cheap? Did you see the costs? The costs weren’t for what the tunnel is outputting right now. Even with more Teslas, the tunnel hourly output is too little to hit the contract milestones Boring Co set with Vegas. It is a massive failure and seems like a con or fraud to just get Tesla more mindshare. Also. Who’s paying the drivers? That’s a lot of drivers driving all day. This was never part of the deal as it was supposed to be automated. So whoever is paying the drivers is not doing anything for cheap.

TheLoafOfBread 4y ago

Lol, so FSD is already working or is it still crashing left and right? But according to Musk it is solved problem since 2016 and you can buy it. This is not optimism, this is outright lying to sell something what does not exist. Also called fraud.

fastball 4y ago
FSD is definitely not crashing left and right. How many crashes total do you think there have been on FSD?

rvz 4y ago

So why did he pay for the fraud charges against him then for his misleading tweets? [0] > Musk and Tesla have agreed to settle the charges against them without admitting or denying the SEC’s allegations. He knew he committed securities fraud, and now he is under federal investigation over the Twitter deal. There is no need to be a Elon apologist, since everyone knows he is a fraudster. That is before I mentioned about the FSD scandals. [0] https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-226 https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-226

fastball 4y ago
Because the SEC has the power to prevent him from running publicly traded companies, so he settled rather than risk that.

gizmo 4y ago

Musk knew at the time fsd was nowhere close to working every time he asserted that buying a tesla was a great investment that would make money for you as an autonomous taxi. Blatant fraud, no question about it.

IshKebab 4y ago

True, but I would say pre-selling FSD for years in the full knowledge that they wouldn't be able to deliver is is fraud.

fastball 4y ago
FSD doesn't work until it does. How does anyone have "full knowledge" that they won't be able to deliver? One breakthrough and you're done. Tesla is taking the money people are paying them for FSD and using it to... build an FSD system. They are hiring top talent, developing new ML architectures, developing new training hardware, developing new inference hardware, and overall just spending more money on the problem than any other company. Having a hard time understanding how spending people's money on the thing you say you're spending it on is "fraud".
- IshKebab 4y ago
  > How does anyone have "full knowledge" that they won't be able to deliver? By talking to experts? Or even people just vaguely familiar with the field. It was obvious at the time that it would take far far longer than most driverless car companies and the press were saying. Frankly you don't even need any engineering knowledge to see that. Just go for a drive. There are countless situations that basically require human-level intelligence and nobody would have believed Musk saying he was a year away from that.

europeanguy 4y ago

That's one of the claims he made. Another one is > This is something we can do _now_ (Referring to his self-driving truck convoy)