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Great question. I'm not entirely clear on the origin of the name and it would probably be hard for me to find the folks behind this decision on Friday evening/S

Great question. I'm not entirely clear on the origin of the name and it would probably be hard for me to find the folks behind this decision on Friday evening/Saturday so I'll share my interpretation. At GitLab, we have a clearly defined organizational structure. Within that stucture, we have Product Groups[0] which are groups of people aligned around a specific category. The name "Single-Engineer Groups" reflects that this single engineer owns the category which they're focusing on. I'll be sure to surface your question to the leader of our Incubation Engineering org. Thanks. [0] - https://about.gitlab.com/company/team/structure/#product-groups https://about.gitlab.com/company/team/structure/#product-gro...

cercatrova 4y ago
I imagine it's similar to working groups [0], but keeping the term the same when only one person is in the working group, hence single engineer (working) group. Basically, parse `group` as in `working group` as a single term of art, rather than literally meaning a colloquial group, ie 2 or more individuals. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_group
- sytse 4y ago
  It is different since working groups are not full time roles.
- remram 4y ago
  I have nothing against a working group that happens to be one person at the moment, but this SEG is defined by being a single person. It would cease being a SEG if it got more members. Hence don't call it a group...
joshxyz 4y ago
jesus christ john, i cant wrap my head around the concept of single-person group!! haha
- sitkack 4y ago
  Gitlab is 600Kloc of JS and 1.8Mloc of Ruby. Of course a SEG would make sense to them.
  - westurner 4y ago
    OpenAPI, tests, and {Ruby on Rails w/ Script.aculo.us built-in back in the day, JS, and rewrite in {Rust, Go,}}? There's dokku-scheduler-kubernetes; and Gitea, a fork of Gogs, which is a github clone in Go; but Gitea doesn't do inbound email to Issues, Service Desk Issues, or (Drone,) CI with deploy to k8s revid.staging and production DNS domains w/ Ingress.
- ebonet 4y ago
  If it makes it easier, our title is Incubation Engineering, because it reflects better what we do: finding new areas to explore and kickstart, searching for new markets, or how to expand existing markets. We need to choose initiatives within our scope (mine is MLOps) that fit the scope of a person in a short period of time, and test the idea by putting stuff in production. Ideas that are too uncertain or risky to dedicate a full team on, but would make sense for a single person initially. Other recent outputs of the team are CloudSeed[0], improved GitLab pages setup [1] and Code Reviews for Jupyter Notebooks [2] - [0] CloudSeed https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/engineering/incubation/cloud-seed/ https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/engineering/incubation/clo... - [1] https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2022/09/22/gitlab-15-4-released/#getting-started-with-gitlab-pages-just-got-easier https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2022/09/22/gitlab-15-4-rel... - [2] https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/project/repository/jupyter_notebooks/#cleaner-diffs-and-raw-diffs https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/project/repository/jupyter_n...
Traubenfuchs 4y ago
> single engineer group oxymoron
- falcor84 4y ago
  The definitions I see for group all use "a number",e.g. "a number of people or things that are located, gathered, or classed together". So if you're willing to accept 1 as a possible value for a number, it's not an oxymoron.
  - remram 4y ago
    Is 0 people a group by the unusual definition you use?
    - falcor84 4y ago
      It is, at least in principle. As I see it, there's nothing that immediately discontinues a group when the last person leaves; it only makes it inactive. But a group could also become inactive in many other ways (e.g. deciding not to meet for a long time). It's only if whatever organization that found a benefit at having that group, no longer does and decides to discontinue it, then it stops being a group.
      - remram 4y ago
        What a weird world you live in. What about "the organization"? What if it has 0 people?
        falcor84 4y ago
        The world I live in is one which accepts both usual and unusual circumstances. In the extreme case, consider a small company whose few owners and employees suddenly pass away (e.g. in a plane crash). The fact that the company suddenly has 0 employees and even 0 shareholders does not immediately terminate the company. It still continues to exist as a business and legal entity, until the government / lawyers either find new shareholders (typically heirs) who are willing to run the company, or appoint a director to initiate foreclosure.

cercatrova 4y ago

I imagine it's similar to working groups [0], but keeping the term the same when only one person is in the working group, hence single engineer (working) group. Basically, parse `group` as in `working group` as a single term of art, rather than literally meaning a colloquial group, ie 2 or more individuals. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_group

sytse 4y ago
It is different since working groups are not full time roles.
remram 4y ago
I have nothing against a working group that happens to be one person at the moment, but this SEG is defined by being a single person. It would cease being a SEG if it got more members. Hence don't call it a group...

joshxyz 4y ago

jesus christ john, i cant wrap my head around the concept of single-person group!! haha

sitkack 4y ago
Gitlab is 600Kloc of JS and 1.8Mloc of Ruby. Of course a SEG would make sense to them.
- westurner 4y ago
  OpenAPI, tests, and {Ruby on Rails w/ Script.aculo.us built-in back in the day, JS, and rewrite in {Rust, Go,}}? There's dokku-scheduler-kubernetes; and Gitea, a fork of Gogs, which is a github clone in Go; but Gitea doesn't do inbound email to Issues, Service Desk Issues, or (Drone,) CI with deploy to k8s revid.staging and production DNS domains w/ Ingress.
ebonet 4y ago
If it makes it easier, our title is Incubation Engineering, because it reflects better what we do: finding new areas to explore and kickstart, searching for new markets, or how to expand existing markets. We need to choose initiatives within our scope (mine is MLOps) that fit the scope of a person in a short period of time, and test the idea by putting stuff in production. Ideas that are too uncertain or risky to dedicate a full team on, but would make sense for a single person initially. Other recent outputs of the team are CloudSeed[0], improved GitLab pages setup [1] and Code Reviews for Jupyter Notebooks [2] - [0] CloudSeed https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/engineering/incubation/cloud-seed/ https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/engineering/incubation/clo... - [1] https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2022/09/22/gitlab-15-4-released/#getting-started-with-gitlab-pages-just-got-easier https://about.gitlab.com/releases/2022/09/22/gitlab-15-4-rel... - [2] https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/project/repository/jupyter_notebooks/#cleaner-diffs-and-raw-diffs https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/project/repository/jupyter_n...

Traubenfuchs 4y ago

> single engineer group oxymoron

falcor84 4y ago
The definitions I see for group all use "a number",e.g. "a number of people or things that are located, gathered, or classed together". So if you're willing to accept 1 as a possible value for a number, it's not an oxymoron.
- remram 4y ago
  Is 0 people a group by the unusual definition you use?
  - falcor84 4y ago
    It is, at least in principle. As I see it, there's nothing that immediately discontinues a group when the last person leaves; it only makes it inactive. But a group could also become inactive in many other ways (e.g. deciding not to meet for a long time). It's only if whatever organization that found a benefit at having that group, no longer does and decides to discontinue it, then it stops being a group.
    - remram 4y ago
      What a weird world you live in. What about "the organization"? What if it has 0 people?
      - falcor84 4y ago
        The world I live in is one which accepts both usual and unusual circumstances. In the extreme case, consider a small company whose few owners and employees suddenly pass away (e.g. in a plane crash). The fact that the company suddenly has 0 employees and even 0 shareholders does not immediately terminate the company. It still continues to exist as a business and legal entity, until the government / lawyers either find new shareholders (typically heirs) who are willing to run the company, or appoint a director to initiate foreclosure.