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I am willing to bet it is illegal fishing boats from countries I dare not to list for being downvoted. It is well known that some countries list a few hundred b
by darth_avocado 4y ago
I am willing to bet it is illegal fishing boats from countries I dare not to list for being downvoted. It is well known that some countries list a few hundred boats but in reality have fleets of tens of thousands of boats that operate under the radar. They over fish and destroy entire ecosystems and no one is doing anything about it.
- krastanov 4y agoBut China is overfishing in the public, not "under the radar", and they usually only go up to someones territorial waters, do not completely cross. Moreover, I very much doubt they would dare do so to a semi-powerful western state, let alone the US. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/09/insider/a-clear-look-at-chinas-deep-sea-fishing.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/09/insider/a-clear-look-at-c...
- ROTMetro 4y agoI remember chilling north coast of Santa Cruz late one night after a surf sesh, and boats pulling up to shore, unloading people and other items. This was right about when (was it Golden Budda?) in Soquel got busted for smuggling chinese machine guns? Sure they cross territorial waters. (Man I was bummed. They had the best hot and sour soup.) Edite: Yep, it was Golden Buddha https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Smuggler-of-Chinese-arms-pleads-guilty-3116012.php https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Smuggler-of-Chinese-arms...
- pphysch 4y agoOr there are corrupt fishery regulators who are giving wild overestimations of fish population in return for kickbacks from fishery associations/cartels. If it was the Big Bad, there would be political uproar. But if it was good ole corruption, it would be business as usual.
- woodruffw 4y agoDo you have any evidence to back this up, or is this just xenophobic speculation? China’s encroachment on sovereign waters for fishing is one thing when it’s against South American countries with small navies; it’s another thing entirely when it’s the US. I doubt they’re behind this.
- vnchr 4y agoIs it xenophobic when your own comment cites that exact behavior?
- logicalmonster 4y agoWhy are you assuming that the poster is hinting at China when his comment didn't mention the country?
- jjk166 4y agoHow many states are there with access to pacific waters that could potentially have thousands of unregistered fishing vessels and whom a poster would be uncomfortable naming explicitly for fear of backlash?
- logicalmonster 4y agoSeems odd that this is a logical guess, but then that's labelled as "xenophobic speculation".
- jjk166 4y agoIt's a logical guess that the only country that could have thousands of unregistered ships would be china, one of the worlds leading industrial powers with a large pacific coastline. It's xenophobic speculation that china does in fact have these ships and specifically are the cause of this population collapsing.
- samatman 4y agoThis is widely known, just not to you. Calling names won't change that.
- NSMutableSet 4y agoJapan's pacific coastline is twice as large as China's. Your logic here is extremely faulty.
- Supermancho 4y ago> They over fish and destroy entire ecosystems and no one is doing anything about it. That's not just hyperbole, it's flat wrong. Some organizations try to do things about it, even if the methodologies have historically been ineffective. Nobody would be able to completely solve it, while the Oceans are still largely uncontrolled. https://www.canada.ca/en/fisheries-oceans/news/2022/06/government-of-canada-continues-to-innovate-in-the-fight-against-illegal-fishing-on-the-high-seas.html https://www.canada.ca/en/fisheries-oceans/news/2022/06/gover...
- stjohnswarts 4y agoIf there were enough boats out there to reduce the population 90% in two years then we would know. Our radar isn't -that- bad.