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> it would be naked price gouging As opposed to the rest of the 40 series cards?

by imiric 4y ago

PaulHoule 4y ago
If you divide the cost of the card by the pixel fill rate, the 4090 is a bargain.
- onli 4y ago
  It is a new series. It is supposed to be cheaper relative to the performance than the ancestor series, not priced as a higher tier.
- plasticchris 4y ago
  This is a fundamental shift from years past where perf per dollar scaled up every generation. Now they are trying to scale performance while also scaling up price. Only time will tell if the demand is inelastic or not.
  - neogodless 4y ago
    The RTX 3090 had an MSRP of $1499, so this is only a 6.7% increase. If there was a fundamental shift, it was when that card launched.
- filmgirlcw 4y ago
  Meh, only if you accept that the 4090 is really a Titan or a Quadro under another name. And to be fair, I think that it probably is. But that doesn’t match with the consumer designation that we see in these things and so bargain or not, this is a professional card being marketed to consumers. If you’re looking for a pro card and have the cooling and power to support it (not to mention, the workflow needs that could benefit), that’s great. If you’re a gamer or enthusiast, the price is still high enough (not to mention the other changes you might need to make to your rig to support the card) that the actual delta between the potential and what you’ll actually do with the card means you should probably just stick with either a 3090 that is now half the price, or hold out for the other 4000 series cards if you must get a next-gen card.
  - Godel_unicode 4y ago
    This is incorrect. If you want to play e.g. Cyberpunk at 4k maxed out with decent framerates the 4090 is the only card that gets you there. Especially once you start looking at meaningful numbers like 1% lows, even the 3090 is struggling to break the low 30s. It doesn’t apply to every game or every resolution, but there are actual game scenarios where a 4090 makes sense. Price and heat and power and space not withstanding, it’s a meaningful upgrade.
    - flerchin 4y ago
      Dangit, I do want to play Cyberpunk maxed in 4k. Sorry kids, I guess you'll have to take a gap year before you can go to college, daddy's gonna upgrade.
      - Wowfunhappy 4y ago
        I will add that, IMO, if it's possible for any gpu to play a just-released game at maximum settings at a high resolution at 60+ fps, the developers haven't set the maximum quality settings high enough. Leave some headroom for future GPUs, or allow players who e.g. prefer a ludicrously high draw distance at any cost to make that choice and dial down the resolution to compensate. Most games don't meet this bar, and I think gamers who expect to be able to set every slider to the max and go to town—yes, even on a $2K GPU—are mostly responsible.
        Godel_unicode 4y ago
        I disagree that developers should spend valuable engineering time on producing games that can’t be run. Spend that time making other games instead, or squashing bugs (looking at you, cyberpunk!) and maybe keep a backlog of future features to patch in when the hardware gets there.
        autoexec 4y ago
        I agree! When it comes to graphics, just make them look great with current (and not uncommon) hardware. When most gamers have upgraded hardware capable of substantial differences games can keep selling remasters if people care. I'm fine with nearly all gamers getting a better experience even if that means the tiny fraction of gamers who can and are willing to spend insane amounts of money on the best of all possible video cards are not able to take full advantage of their crazy hardware in most games.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  3070 had .29 GP/s/$ at base clock. 4090 has .28 GP/s/$ at base clock. Considering this is coming out two years later, I'm not so inclined to call it a bargain.
  - elabajaba 4y ago
    Especially considering the whole 30 series had inflated MSRPs due the ridiculous demand gpu mining created which lead to GPU shortages for regular consumers.

> it would be naked price gouging As opposed to the rest of the 40 series cards?

by imiric 4y ago

> it would be naked price gouging As opposed to the rest of the 40 series cards?

PaulHoule 4y ago

If you divide the cost of the card by the pixel fill rate, the 4090 is a bargain.

onli 4y ago
It is a new series. It is supposed to be cheaper relative to the performance than the ancestor series, not priced as a higher tier.
plasticchris 4y ago
This is a fundamental shift from years past where perf per dollar scaled up every generation. Now they are trying to scale performance while also scaling up price. Only time will tell if the demand is inelastic or not.
- neogodless 4y ago
  The RTX 3090 had an MSRP of $1499, so this is only a 6.7% increase. If there was a fundamental shift, it was when that card launched.
filmgirlcw 4y ago
Meh, only if you accept that the 4090 is really a Titan or a Quadro under another name. And to be fair, I think that it probably is. But that doesn’t match with the consumer designation that we see in these things and so bargain or not, this is a professional card being marketed to consumers. If you’re looking for a pro card and have the cooling and power to support it (not to mention, the workflow needs that could benefit), that’s great. If you’re a gamer or enthusiast, the price is still high enough (not to mention the other changes you might need to make to your rig to support the card) that the actual delta between the potential and what you’ll actually do with the card means you should probably just stick with either a 3090 that is now half the price, or hold out for the other 4000 series cards if you must get a next-gen card.
- Godel_unicode 4y ago
  This is incorrect. If you want to play e.g. Cyberpunk at 4k maxed out with decent framerates the 4090 is the only card that gets you there. Especially once you start looking at meaningful numbers like 1% lows, even the 3090 is struggling to break the low 30s. It doesn’t apply to every game or every resolution, but there are actual game scenarios where a 4090 makes sense. Price and heat and power and space not withstanding, it’s a meaningful upgrade.
  - flerchin 4y ago
    Dangit, I do want to play Cyberpunk maxed in 4k. Sorry kids, I guess you'll have to take a gap year before you can go to college, daddy's gonna upgrade.
    - Wowfunhappy 4y ago
      I will add that, IMO, if it's possible for any gpu to play a just-released game at maximum settings at a high resolution at 60+ fps, the developers haven't set the maximum quality settings high enough. Leave some headroom for future GPUs, or allow players who e.g. prefer a ludicrously high draw distance at any cost to make that choice and dial down the resolution to compensate. Most games don't meet this bar, and I think gamers who expect to be able to set every slider to the max and go to town—yes, even on a $2K GPU—are mostly responsible.
      - Godel_unicode 4y ago
        I disagree that developers should spend valuable engineering time on producing games that can’t be run. Spend that time making other games instead, or squashing bugs (looking at you, cyberpunk!) and maybe keep a backlog of future features to patch in when the hardware gets there.
        autoexec 4y ago
        I agree! When it comes to graphics, just make them look great with current (and not uncommon) hardware. When most gamers have upgraded hardware capable of substantial differences games can keep selling remasters if people care. I'm fine with nearly all gamers getting a better experience even if that means the tiny fraction of gamers who can and are willing to spend insane amounts of money on the best of all possible video cards are not able to take full advantage of their crazy hardware in most games.
Dylan16807 4y ago
3070 had .29 GP/s/$ at base clock. 4090 has .28 GP/s/$ at base clock. Considering this is coming out two years later, I'm not so inclined to call it a bargain.
- elabajaba 4y ago
  Especially considering the whole 30 series had inflated MSRPs due the ridiculous demand gpu mining created which lead to GPU shortages for regular consumers.