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I can’t tell whether or not this is satire. Either way, this is utterly ridiculous. Now only hiring people from OxCam + Ivy + Stanford — that’s the big brain

I can’t tell whether or not this is satire. Either way, this is utterly ridiculous. Now only hiring people from OxCam + Ivy + Stanford — that’s the big brain move.

retrac 4y ago
Not satire. Why do you consider it ridiculous?
- pfisherman 4y ago
  Because it has about the same level of class and intellectual rigor as “hire a Jew because they are good with money” or “hire a chinaman because they are good with numbers”. Also not a lot of white guys named Jared playing lacrosse at Oxford or Cambridge (or Peking University).
  - retrac 4y ago
    If I knew nothing other than whether someone was Jewish or not, and if I felt free to discriminate, I would, of course, hire the Jewish person. On average they do better than typical Americans across the board. In reality, I don't feel free to discriminate. So it's a problem if I know that a candidate is Jewish, because I'm clearly biased and working off a stereotype there. So is the AI. Maybe that helps clarify the domain my thought experiment was operating in.
commandlinefan 4y ago
The promise of AI is that it will be able to find associations and figure out things that humans normally wouldn't - so the AI is now finding associations and figuring out things that humans previously didn't notice, and we're dismissing it.
- pfisherman 4y ago
  Are any of these previously unnoticed associations? I think the problem here is that they are not typically informative or predictive of “success” — whatever that means here. I don’t need a model that is essentially a shitty heuristic (or collection of them) because I can get that for free - ex. “we only recruit / hire from the ivys”.
raxxorraxor 4y ago
Thought the same about satire, but I fear it is not. It remains ridiculous though. It really is astonishing how people try to connect dots that are more or less random. I bet the lacrosse part is due to the sport being played among academics and then by nobody else. Cue for the AI without intelligence to mark it as an inclusion criterium. Similar to what Golf was a few years ago. A unique property to differentiate academics and non-academics.

I can’t tell whether or not this is satire. Either way, this is utterly ridiculous. Now only hiring people from OxCam + Ivy + Stanford — that’s the big brain move.

retrac 4y ago

Not satire. Why do you consider it ridiculous?

pfisherman 4y ago
Because it has about the same level of class and intellectual rigor as “hire a Jew because they are good with money” or “hire a chinaman because they are good with numbers”. Also not a lot of white guys named Jared playing lacrosse at Oxford or Cambridge (or Peking University).
- retrac 4y ago
  If I knew nothing other than whether someone was Jewish or not, and if I felt free to discriminate, I would, of course, hire the Jewish person. On average they do better than typical Americans across the board. In reality, I don't feel free to discriminate. So it's a problem if I know that a candidate is Jewish, because I'm clearly biased and working off a stereotype there. So is the AI. Maybe that helps clarify the domain my thought experiment was operating in.

commandlinefan 4y ago

The promise of AI is that it will be able to find associations and figure out things that humans normally wouldn't - so the AI is now finding associations and figuring out things that humans previously didn't notice, and we're dismissing it.

pfisherman 4y ago
Are any of these previously unnoticed associations? I think the problem here is that they are not typically informative or predictive of “success” — whatever that means here. I don’t need a model that is essentially a shitty heuristic (or collection of them) because I can get that for free - ex. “we only recruit / hire from the ivys”.

raxxorraxor 4y ago

Thought the same about satire, but I fear it is not. It remains ridiculous though. It really is astonishing how people try to connect dots that are more or less random. I bet the lacrosse part is due to the sport being played among academics and then by nobody else. Cue for the AI without intelligence to mark it as an inclusion criterium. Similar to what Golf was a few years ago. A unique property to differentiate academics and non-academics.