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> I don't want to slander It is never slander to speak the truth

fsckboy 4y ago
he didn't mean "I don't want to technical-meaning-of-slander", he meant "I don't want to badmouth perhaps unfairly since I probably don't have all the facts"
robswc 4y ago
True. I guess I'd rather not create drama for drawing implications from marketing material, haha.
- fallingknife 4y ago
  Fair enough, though I think it's pretty fair to assume that the truth is either the same or worse than the marketing material!
cercatrova 4y ago
Except in Japan where you can be prosecuted even if what you spoke about someone else was true. They see it as destroying the their person's honor.
- aliqot 4y ago
  For the other 99.87% of us on this board, this is good info.
  - cercatrova 4y ago
    Depends on your jurisdiction, really. Even in Western countries the laws differ on what is slander and what isn't.
    - hutzlibu 4y ago
      It is a very grey area. In generally you can say anything you can proof to be true. But are you prepared to uphold your proof against a legion of expensive lawers in court? (what is truth after all) So if you loose, things can get ugly, so most people try to be on the safe side and keep their mouths rather shut (except for pseudoanonymous online rants).
      - eru 4y ago
        > In generally you can say anything you can proof to be true. No, it really depends on jurisdiction.
        hutzlibu 4y ago
        Can you link to a single case in the west, where someone was sentenced because they said something they could proof to be true?
        eru 4y ago
        See https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beleidigung_(Deutschland)#Missachtung_durch_Tatsachenbehauptungen https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beleidigung_(Deutschland)#Miss... > Das Behaupten wahrer Tatsachen ist demgegenüber grundsätzlich straflos.[76] Ausnahmsweise kann dies allerdings nach § 192 StGB eine Beleidigung darstellen. Voraussetzung hierfür ist, dass die Behauptung in einer Weise erfolgt, die ehrverletzend wirkt. Eine solche Formalbeleidigung kann beispielsweise dadurch begangen werden, dass eine Tatsache in einem herabwürdigenden Ton behauptet wird.[77] Dies trifft beispielsweise auf den Publikationsexzess zu. Hierbei wird eine Tatsache, etwa das Ausstehen von Schulden, öffentlich mit anprangernder und ehrverletzender Wirkung zur Schau gestellt.[78] (Google Translate can probably help, if you don't read German.)
nonethewiser 4y ago
> It is never slander to speak the truth It is never slander to speak honestly. Even if you're wrong, if you believe it, it's not slander.
jcranmer 4y ago
That's not entirely true. "Mr. Smith goes to the brothel every Tuesday" can be defamatory yet true since it omits the crucial details that a) Mr. Smith is the garbageman and b) Tuesday is garbage collection day at the brothel. Of course, the defamatory aspect is that you are very clearly implying a false statement, and if the implied statement were true, it would of course fail to be defamatory.

he didn't mean "I don't want to technical-meaning-of-slander", he meant "I don't want to badmouth perhaps unfairly since I probably don't have all the facts"

robswc 4y ago

True. I guess I'd rather not create drama for drawing implications from marketing material, haha.

fallingknife 4y ago
Fair enough, though I think it's pretty fair to assume that the truth is either the same or worse than the marketing material!

cercatrova 4y ago

Except in Japan where you can be prosecuted even if what you spoke about someone else was true. They see it as destroying the their person's honor.

aliqot 4y ago
For the other 99.87% of us on this board, this is good info.
- cercatrova 4y ago
  Depends on your jurisdiction, really. Even in Western countries the laws differ on what is slander and what isn't.
  - hutzlibu 4y ago
    It is a very grey area. In generally you can say anything you can proof to be true. But are you prepared to uphold your proof against a legion of expensive lawers in court? (what is truth after all) So if you loose, things can get ugly, so most people try to be on the safe side and keep their mouths rather shut (except for pseudoanonymous online rants).
    - eru 4y ago
      > In generally you can say anything you can proof to be true. No, it really depends on jurisdiction.
      - hutzlibu 4y ago
        Can you link to a single case in the west, where someone was sentenced because they said something they could proof to be true?
        eru 4y ago
        See https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beleidigung_(Deutschland)#Missachtung_durch_Tatsachenbehauptungen https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beleidigung_(Deutschland)#Miss... > Das Behaupten wahrer Tatsachen ist demgegenüber grundsätzlich straflos.[76] Ausnahmsweise kann dies allerdings nach § 192 StGB eine Beleidigung darstellen. Voraussetzung hierfür ist, dass die Behauptung in einer Weise erfolgt, die ehrverletzend wirkt. Eine solche Formalbeleidigung kann beispielsweise dadurch begangen werden, dass eine Tatsache in einem herabwürdigenden Ton behauptet wird.[77] Dies trifft beispielsweise auf den Publikationsexzess zu. Hierbei wird eine Tatsache, etwa das Ausstehen von Schulden, öffentlich mit anprangernder und ehrverletzender Wirkung zur Schau gestellt.[78] (Google Translate can probably help, if you don't read German.)

nonethewiser 4y ago

> It is never slander to speak the truth It is never slander to speak honestly. Even if you're wrong, if you believe it, it's not slander.

jcranmer 4y ago

That's not entirely true. "Mr. Smith goes to the brothel every Tuesday" can be defamatory yet true since it omits the crucial details that a) Mr. Smith is the garbageman and b) Tuesday is garbage collection day at the brothel. Of course, the defamatory aspect is that you are very clearly implying a false statement, and if the implied statement were true, it would of course fail to be defamatory.