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> Yeah, but the alternative is lower profits for entrenched corporate powers, so ... Can’t we just pay these people enough to go away?

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arealaccount 4y ago
Not really possible since the share holders will always want an ROI
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wnolens 4y ago
And then the solution to global warming is close to just being literally money https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/Cure_for_AIDS https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/Cure_for_AIDS
autoexec 4y ago
These people already have more money than they could ever spend in their lifetimes. We could never pay them enough because the problem with them is that they have no concept of "enough". Their greed is insatiable and they don't care who or how many get hurt as long as they get even a little more wealth and power.
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ianai 4y ago
I wish there were like a “we get it. You won at scarce resource creation/allocation. Here’s your $Buckillion award and you never have to worry about bills again.” Maybe we give them a national audience ala a state of the union address once in five years and a bill with a straight up/down.
kortilla 4y ago
> Can’t we just pay these people enough to go away? “These people” is most of the population. Look at how little people have done to reduce their own meat reduction, transportation usage, etc. People claim they care about global warming but air travel is back in full force and US citizens are throwing shit fits about petrol prices being a little closer to other western countries. There is no corporate evil cabal keeping CO2 emissions high. It’s what the population actually wants through revealed preferences despite their expressed preferences.
- woodruffw 4y ago
  It’s a little bit of both: incentive structures are both established and strengthened by profit interests.
  - parineum 4y ago
    It's not a little bit of both. "Greedy corporations" don't create demand or consumption. Corporations want your money so they make things you want. They don't just pump CO2 into the atmosphere for fun.
    - woodruffw 4y ago
      I didn't say "greedy." But yes, corporations do induce demand: that's the entire point of advertising, and so many other mainstays of 21st century capitalism: planned obsolescence, vendor lock-in, and so forth. Consumers do not want to buy a new phone, computer, fridge, &c. every X years; they do it because it's the local maxima between short-term purchasing power and corporate profits. Nobody pumps CO2 into the atmosphere "for fun," besides a very small group of men with illegally modified trucks. But corporations do pump CO2 into the atmosphere (taken as a general metaphor for pollution) because it's an efficient method of externalization.
      - parineum 4y ago
        Without advertising, how would you know the things you want exist? Why do you remove all agency and responsibility from consumers and place it on corporations? Does it have anything to do with which one you're a part of?
pasquinelli 4y ago
pay off the fossil feul industry? i don't know how you intend to do that.
tjpnz 4y ago
Last I heard John Galt and Co were making plans to leave for Mars.

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arealaccount 4y ago

Not really possible since the share holders will always want an ROI

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wnolens 4y ago

And then the solution to global warming is close to just being literally money https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/Cure_for_AIDS https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/Cure_for_AIDS

autoexec 4y ago

These people already have more money than they could ever spend in their lifetimes. We could never pay them enough because the problem with them is that they have no concept of "enough". Their greed is insatiable and they don't care who or how many get hurt as long as they get even a little more wealth and power.

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ianai 4y ago

I wish there were like a “we get it. You won at scarce resource creation/allocation. Here’s your $Buckillion award and you never have to worry about bills again.” Maybe we give them a national audience ala a state of the union address once in five years and a bill with a straight up/down.

kortilla 4y ago

> Can’t we just pay these people enough to go away? “These people” is most of the population. Look at how little people have done to reduce their own meat reduction, transportation usage, etc. People claim they care about global warming but air travel is back in full force and US citizens are throwing shit fits about petrol prices being a little closer to other western countries. There is no corporate evil cabal keeping CO2 emissions high. It’s what the population actually wants through revealed preferences despite their expressed preferences.

woodruffw 4y ago
It’s a little bit of both: incentive structures are both established and strengthened by profit interests.
- parineum 4y ago
  It's not a little bit of both. "Greedy corporations" don't create demand or consumption. Corporations want your money so they make things you want. They don't just pump CO2 into the atmosphere for fun.
  - woodruffw 4y ago
    I didn't say "greedy." But yes, corporations do induce demand: that's the entire point of advertising, and so many other mainstays of 21st century capitalism: planned obsolescence, vendor lock-in, and so forth. Consumers do not want to buy a new phone, computer, fridge, &c. every X years; they do it because it's the local maxima between short-term purchasing power and corporate profits. Nobody pumps CO2 into the atmosphere "for fun," besides a very small group of men with illegally modified trucks. But corporations do pump CO2 into the atmosphere (taken as a general metaphor for pollution) because it's an efficient method of externalization.
    - parineum 4y ago
      Without advertising, how would you know the things you want exist? Why do you remove all agency and responsibility from consumers and place it on corporations? Does it have anything to do with which one you're a part of?

pasquinelli 4y ago

pay off the fossil feul industry? i don't know how you intend to do that.

tjpnz 4y ago

Last I heard John Galt and Co were making plans to leave for Mars.