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Can anyone in this thread link to an actual article and describe how horrible it is? It's perplexing that I'm getting so downvoted and the replies have absolute

Can anyone in this thread link to an actual article and describe how horrible it is? It's perplexing that I'm getting so downvoted and the replies have absolute zero information besides "it's just horrible" which sure, maybe it is, but they've had millions less people die from COVID so I need at least some information to change my mind from "it sure seemed to do it's intended job."

kbelder 4y ago
No link, but the logic is simple: They are just going to have the millions of people die later when everybody catches covid, and in the meantime are inflicting lots of misery in their attempts to delay it.
- marricks 4y ago
  Uh, isn’t COVID damaging on your system every time you get? Basically risking long COVID and death? Also the more cases there are the more chances for mutation. The reasoning is like one step away from antivaxer logic.
  - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
    COVID right now is mutating towards being more contagious but less severe. That isn't really antivaxer logic, get a good vaccine and you should be much more protected against either catching or getting severe symptoms from a more endemic COVID.
    - marricks 4y ago
      Ok, let's check in next year and see if the US life expectancy rebounds from its two year decline. I'm guessing not though, if daily COVID deaths are anything to go by. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2022/20220831.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2022/...
      - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
        It most definitely will rebound, I don't think anyone with any knowledge about how these things work will argue otherwise. But it isn't clear if or how fast we will get back to 2019 numbers, especially since our long term health care labor and infrastructure was decimated by the pandemic (by COVID directly as well as by lockdowns, and just by people not wanting to do the work anymore for what we are willing to pay for it).
        marricks 4y ago
        I think we have vastly different values and even if we agreed on the same set of facts we wouldn't agree. Interesting talk, though.
seanmcdirmid 4y ago
They are trying to prevent COVID completely, which, given that some amount of resistance to COVID is based on already having it before, it turning out to be untenable. Coupled with less effective vaccines and other countries taking a "COVID is now endemic" approach, it really puts them in a bind in how to move forward without huge medical and/or economic consequences.
cr1895 4y ago
Some context: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/04/29/world/asia/shanghai-lockdown.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/04/29/world/asia/sh... https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/04/china-zero-covid-shanghai-lockdown/629589/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/04/ch... https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/09/china-lockdowns-zero-covid-policy/671385/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/09/ch... https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-04-08/shanghai-lockdown-tests-china-zero-covid-policy https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-04-08/shangh...

kbelder 4y ago

No link, but the logic is simple: They are just going to have the millions of people die later when everybody catches covid, and in the meantime are inflicting lots of misery in their attempts to delay it.

marricks 4y ago
Uh, isn’t COVID damaging on your system every time you get? Basically risking long COVID and death? Also the more cases there are the more chances for mutation. The reasoning is like one step away from antivaxer logic.
- seanmcdirmid 4y ago
  COVID right now is mutating towards being more contagious but less severe. That isn't really antivaxer logic, get a good vaccine and you should be much more protected against either catching or getting severe symptoms from a more endemic COVID.
  - marricks 4y ago
    Ok, let's check in next year and see if the US life expectancy rebounds from its two year decline. I'm guessing not though, if daily COVID deaths are anything to go by. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2022/20220831.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2022/...
    - seanmcdirmid 4y ago
      It most definitely will rebound, I don't think anyone with any knowledge about how these things work will argue otherwise. But it isn't clear if or how fast we will get back to 2019 numbers, especially since our long term health care labor and infrastructure was decimated by the pandemic (by COVID directly as well as by lockdowns, and just by people not wanting to do the work anymore for what we are willing to pay for it).
      - marricks 4y ago
        I think we have vastly different values and even if we agreed on the same set of facts we wouldn't agree. Interesting talk, though.

seanmcdirmid 4y ago

They are trying to prevent COVID completely, which, given that some amount of resistance to COVID is based on already having it before, it turning out to be untenable. Coupled with less effective vaccines and other countries taking a "COVID is now endemic" approach, it really puts them in a bind in how to move forward without huge medical and/or economic consequences.

cr1895 4y ago

Some context: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/04/29/world/asia/shanghai-lockdown.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/04/29/world/asia/sh... https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/04/china-zero-covid-shanghai-lockdown/629589/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/04/ch... https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/09/china-lockdowns-zero-covid-policy/671385/ https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/09/ch... https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-04-08/shanghai-lockdown-tests-china-zero-covid-policy https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-04-08/shangh...