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> TikTok clearly states that users are not allowed to explicitly solicit gifts, so this is a clear violation of their own terms of services, as well as the righ

> TikTok clearly states that users are not allowed to explicitly solicit gifts, so this is a clear violation of their own terms of services, as well as the rights of these people Why does the headline want to suggest otherwise? To me it sounds like users want to profit from the donations, they get 30% If they used proper infrastructures to encourage people to donate, they'd get 0% BBC yet again is using and spreading the "TikTok bad" propaganda Instagram scam: https://dailytargum.com/article/2021/11/its-time-to-call-out-instagram-charity-scams https://dailytargum.com/article/2021/11/its-time-to-call-out... It's a systemic problem in the west from western users, where is journalism?

Cthulhu_ 4y ago
Plus the article mentions middle men; does tiktok take 70%, or do the mediators?
- yojo 4y ago
  TikTok. They post the full math toward the bottom. TikTok took 69% off the top, the money transfer shop took 10% of the remainder, and the middleman got a 35% cut of what was left, leaving the family with $19 of the original $106 donation
  - jasonlotito 4y ago
    > TikTok took 69% off the top So, is the App store not taking 30% off the top (29.68)? TikTok would end up with $43, and the result is $33. Withdrawing from the Local Money transfer shop is outside of TT, and then after that, I don't know what "TT middlemen" are, but that happens after the withdrawal happens to get the numbers they are sharing. The shop and the middleman are outside the control of TikTok. But you can't ignore the app store's cut.
    - yojo 4y ago
      You’re right. I didn’t consider the AppStore. From the article, a $103 donation ended up as a balance of $33 in the TikTok account. If we assume TikTok has not negotiated a better rate (doubtful), then the math looks like: Donation: $106 After App Store 30%: $74.20 After TikTok: $33 Which puts the TikTok commission at a (still egregious IMO) 55%
      - MisterBastahrd 4y ago
        This pales in comparison to the 100% of nothing they'd receive if they didn't use TikTok.
      - protoc 4y ago
        Considering the amount of video bandwidth a person watches and the lack of obvious ads, 55% isn't egregious in the big picture of things.
        yojo 4y ago
        Fair point. I guess Twitch takes 50% from their streamers (and runs ads for the folks who don’t sub). YouTube takes 30%. So TikTok is at the high end, but the number is not as insane as it first appeared to me.
        rednerrus 4y ago
        TikTok does the heavy lifting here of getting people to your stream.
      - computerfriend 4y ago
        Not at all doubtful. Apple isn't in a weak negotiating position here.
      - jasonlotito 4y ago
        45% vs 55% of the remaining 74. A 100% diff. You can argue whether that is fair, but it's a 10% difference. Or 38% and 31% of the total $106. So, when comparing the 70% number, we have to look at the actual comparative percentage, or 38%. So, not 70%, but 38%.
GaylordTuring 4y ago
I totally agree. If we (for the sake of argument) were to assume that TikTok allowed this, obviously there's nobody offering these people any better alternatives. So why should TikTok be demonized? The people who critizise TikTok are free to build a better and cheaper platform themselves.
MattGaiser 4y ago
> But when the BBC used the in-app system to report 30 accounts featuring children begging, TikTok said there had been no violation of its policies in any of the cases. Why the headline is suggesting otherwise.
99_00 4y ago
>Why does the headline want to suggest otherwise? Because TickTock isn't following its own stated policy as the article demonstrates without a doubt. But you kYounow this because you obviously read the article since that quote is from it
joe_the_user 4y ago
Having an under-the-table way for users to beg and skimming 70% of the proceeds is bad in my book. This isn't just Tiktok allowing scams, it's Tiktok profiteering as middleman in the scams. Instagram scams are also bad, however I don't any place in your link Instagram is active participant, they lazily fail to crack down. Claiming these prove "the West" is ganging up on TikTok is the worst form of "what-about-ism".
markdown 4y ago
LOL, I wonder if HSBC tried to make that claim. "Money laundering is against our TOS, so clearly we aren't money launderers." https://www.investopedia.com/stock-analysis/2013/investing-news-for-jan-29-hsbcs-money-laundering-scandal-hbc-scbff-ing-cs-rbs0129.aspx https://www.investopedia.com/stock-analysis/2013/investing-n...

Cthulhu_ 4y ago

Plus the article mentions middle men; does tiktok take 70%, or do the mediators?

yojo 4y ago
TikTok. They post the full math toward the bottom. TikTok took 69% off the top, the money transfer shop took 10% of the remainder, and the middleman got a 35% cut of what was left, leaving the family with $19 of the original $106 donation
- jasonlotito 4y ago
  > TikTok took 69% off the top So, is the App store not taking 30% off the top (29.68)? TikTok would end up with $43, and the result is $33. Withdrawing from the Local Money transfer shop is outside of TT, and then after that, I don't know what "TT middlemen" are, but that happens after the withdrawal happens to get the numbers they are sharing. The shop and the middleman are outside the control of TikTok. But you can't ignore the app store's cut.
  - yojo 4y ago
    You’re right. I didn’t consider the AppStore. From the article, a $103 donation ended up as a balance of $33 in the TikTok account. If we assume TikTok has not negotiated a better rate (doubtful), then the math looks like: Donation: $106 After App Store 30%: $74.20 After TikTok: $33 Which puts the TikTok commission at a (still egregious IMO) 55%
    - MisterBastahrd 4y ago
      This pales in comparison to the 100% of nothing they'd receive if they didn't use TikTok.
    - protoc 4y ago
      Considering the amount of video bandwidth a person watches and the lack of obvious ads, 55% isn't egregious in the big picture of things.
      - yojo 4y ago
        Fair point. I guess Twitch takes 50% from their streamers (and runs ads for the folks who don’t sub). YouTube takes 30%. So TikTok is at the high end, but the number is not as insane as it first appeared to me.
        rednerrus 4y ago
        TikTok does the heavy lifting here of getting people to your stream.
    - computerfriend 4y ago
      Not at all doubtful. Apple isn't in a weak negotiating position here.
    - jasonlotito 4y ago
      45% vs 55% of the remaining 74. A 100% diff. You can argue whether that is fair, but it's a 10% difference. Or 38% and 31% of the total $106. So, when comparing the 70% number, we have to look at the actual comparative percentage, or 38%. So, not 70%, but 38%.

GaylordTuring 4y ago

I totally agree. If we (for the sake of argument) were to assume that TikTok allowed this, obviously there's nobody offering these people any better alternatives. So why should TikTok be demonized? The people who critizise TikTok are free to build a better and cheaper platform themselves.

MattGaiser 4y ago

> But when the BBC used the in-app system to report 30 accounts featuring children begging, TikTok said there had been no violation of its policies in any of the cases. Why the headline is suggesting otherwise.

99_00 4y ago

>Why does the headline want to suggest otherwise? Because TickTock isn't following its own stated policy as the article demonstrates without a doubt. But you kYounow this because you obviously read the article since that quote is from it

joe_the_user 4y ago

Having an under-the-table way for users to beg and skimming 70% of the proceeds is bad in my book. This isn't just Tiktok allowing scams, it's Tiktok profiteering as middleman in the scams. Instagram scams are also bad, however I don't any place in your link Instagram is active participant, they lazily fail to crack down. Claiming these prove "the West" is ganging up on TikTok is the worst form of "what-about-ism".

markdown 4y ago

LOL, I wonder if HSBC tried to make that claim. "Money laundering is against our TOS, so clearly we aren't money launderers." https://www.investopedia.com/stock-analysis/2013/investing-news-for-jan-29-hsbcs-money-laundering-scandal-hbc-scbff-ing-cs-rbs0129.aspx https://www.investopedia.com/stock-analysis/2013/investing-n...