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I don't have any data, but from word of mouth and variously seeing posts and videos online, 12th gen Intel CPUs seem pretty popular for gaming builds. They're w

by tehnub 4y ago

I don't have any data, but from word of mouth and variously seeing posts and videos online, 12th gen Intel CPUs seem pretty popular for gaming builds. They're winning in benchmarks against 50 series AMD (as they should, being newer), but are also cheaper. I'll be curious to see how 13th gen Intel vs. 70 series AMD plays out. There are always complicating factors, such as motherboards for 70 series AMD being quite pricey for now.

pojzon 4y ago
Gamers prefer anything that has better performance for cheaper price. Tho overall having a more stable PC that consumes less electricity is better in long term and ppl really see that. It shows in sale numbers.
smolder 4y ago
Of the last gen stuff, the 5800x3D is arguably among the best bang for buck, including for use in gaming builds. The applications where Intel's 12900K/12700K hold a significant advantage against the other chip with its 96MB of L3 cache typically aren't applications desperately in need of cpu power. IME it's poorly-optimized or hard-to-optimize software with bad cache coherency that most demands speed, and it's in those cases that the X3D delivers.
scarface74 4y ago
The PC gaming market is tiny in the grand scheme of things.
AaronFriel 4y ago
Intel repeated their Prescott (Pentium 4/Pentium D) strategy of completely removing power limitations on their team to beat AMD. As a result, the Intel processors have TDPs and real world power usages >2.5x that of a comparable Ryzen. Sure, they're winning, but at what cost? The 12900K at 240 watts pulls almost the same power as a 280W 64-core Threadripper. AMD is responding in kind, with new top-end processors pulling 170W, or higher with their built-in overclocking that pushes the chip to even higher power draws as long as cooling permits. This looks to put them back into the lead, but it's just not a sustainable strategy.
- gtirloni 4y ago
  Who cares what a desktop processor plugged to a wall outlet consumes? Seriously, if you care about power consumption, don't buy a K processor.
  - jen20 4y ago
    > Who cares what a desktop processor plugged to a wall outlet consumes? Anyone without solar panels?
    - gtirloni 4y ago
      Those 5 people running off-grid with solar panels only certainly do care about power consumption and wouldn't buy a K processor.
  - kayson 4y ago
    It matters for SFF builds where people often want the highest performance possible but are severely limited by cooking. Efficiency becomes extremely important.
  - kmeisthax 4y ago
    Traditionally nobody, but the massive power consumption of the RTX 4090 combined with a power-hungry CPU might make people take notice. When your desktop needs a dedicated circuit you have a problem.
    - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
      My microwave uses 1200 or 1500 watts and does not need a dedicated circuit. Sure, I don’t run it continuously for an hour, but that has nothing to do with whether or not it needs a dedicated circuit.
      - sundvor 4y ago
        A 16A circuit allows for 3.8kW or something like that @ 240v. With these ludicrous power requirements, you may in fact need to rethink how you use your power. E.g. if on same as a non-heat pump drier, you'd have to make a choice between gaming and drying clothes. Having said that I saw a reference to a 4090 offering 95% of the perf at 60% of the power usage if undervolted, so that becomes an attractive option now. I absolutely love my 5800X3D's insanely low power usage (insane = performance per watt for gaming in simulator titles where it runs circles around Intel).
hnick 4y ago
I was looking for a laptop for work and decent gaming, I went with an Intel NUC. Everything pointed to Ryzen being far better in most aspects - power, weight, height, and importantly battery life - however for the price point I was looking at, the faux-no-brand Intel with the 3060 was better even if it seems the chips do lag behind for similar generations.

by tehnub 4y ago

pojzon 4y ago

Gamers prefer anything that has better performance for cheaper price. Tho overall having a more stable PC that consumes less electricity is better in long term and ppl really see that. It shows in sale numbers.

smolder 4y ago

Of the last gen stuff, the 5800x3D is arguably among the best bang for buck, including for use in gaming builds. The applications where Intel's 12900K/12700K hold a significant advantage against the other chip with its 96MB of L3 cache typically aren't applications desperately in need of cpu power. IME it's poorly-optimized or hard-to-optimize software with bad cache coherency that most demands speed, and it's in those cases that the X3D delivers.

scarface74 4y ago

The PC gaming market is tiny in the grand scheme of things.

AaronFriel 4y ago

Intel repeated their Prescott (Pentium 4/Pentium D) strategy of completely removing power limitations on their team to beat AMD. As a result, the Intel processors have TDPs and real world power usages >2.5x that of a comparable Ryzen. Sure, they're winning, but at what cost? The 12900K at 240 watts pulls almost the same power as a 280W 64-core Threadripper. AMD is responding in kind, with new top-end processors pulling 170W, or higher with their built-in overclocking that pushes the chip to even higher power draws as long as cooling permits. This looks to put them back into the lead, but it's just not a sustainable strategy.

gtirloni 4y ago
Who cares what a desktop processor plugged to a wall outlet consumes? Seriously, if you care about power consumption, don't buy a K processor.
- jen20 4y ago
  > Who cares what a desktop processor plugged to a wall outlet consumes? Anyone without solar panels?
  - gtirloni 4y ago
    Those 5 people running off-grid with solar panels only certainly do care about power consumption and wouldn't buy a K processor.
- kayson 4y ago
  It matters for SFF builds where people often want the highest performance possible but are severely limited by cooking. Efficiency becomes extremely important.
- kmeisthax 4y ago
  Traditionally nobody, but the massive power consumption of the RTX 4090 combined with a power-hungry CPU might make people take notice. When your desktop needs a dedicated circuit you have a problem.
  - TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
    My microwave uses 1200 or 1500 watts and does not need a dedicated circuit. Sure, I don’t run it continuously for an hour, but that has nothing to do with whether or not it needs a dedicated circuit.
    - sundvor 4y ago
      A 16A circuit allows for 3.8kW or something like that @ 240v. With these ludicrous power requirements, you may in fact need to rethink how you use your power. E.g. if on same as a non-heat pump drier, you'd have to make a choice between gaming and drying clothes. Having said that I saw a reference to a 4090 offering 95% of the perf at 60% of the power usage if undervolted, so that becomes an attractive option now. I absolutely love my 5800X3D's insanely low power usage (insane = performance per watt for gaming in simulator titles where it runs circles around Intel).

hnick 4y ago

I was looking for a laptop for work and decent gaming, I went with an Intel NUC. Everything pointed to Ryzen being far better in most aspects - power, weight, height, and importantly battery life - however for the price point I was looking at, the faux-no-brand Intel with the 3060 was better even if it seems the chips do lag behind for similar generations.