5 ms·
You wouldn’t have to be stuck there if coding in VR was feasible. …but actually, the fact that people can and do just check out of online meetings while preten
by Robotbeat 4y ago
You wouldn’t have to be stuck there if coding in VR was feasible.
…but actually, the fact that people can and do just check out of online meetings while pretending to still be present is kind of a drawback of online meeting Vs in-person meetings. Lack of focus is a killer for productivity.
And if people are doing that, they should be allowed to leave the meeting anyway.
- bamboozled 4y agoHonestly, you’ve never hacked during a real life meeting ? I used to bring my laptop into the board room all the time.
- jetbalsa 4y agoJokes on you, I check out in meetings in-person as well. Just hacking away on my laptop in a corner without a care in the world.
- dougmwne 4y agoIt very much depends on your meeting culture. I suppose in the ideal world, everyone should be intently paying attention because the meeting was relevant and focused. In my world, meetings go on for hours, everyone invites the kitchen sink, and long egotistical monologues are the norm. Trapping me in VR for all that would be unpleasant to say the least.
- Robotbeat 4y agoI agree, which is why I think we should normalize leaving meetings.
- robertlagrant 4y agoIronically, VR might help with this, because you can leave your VR avatar listening for you :)
- dylan604 4y agoyeah, but if you leave your avatar, it just goes limp and is obvious you're not there. or, it just stands there doing that NPC awkward flailing of the arms/sighing/whatever when not doing something specific which is just as obvious. it would be my preference where you could just make it super obvious the meeting is boring AF and do a magician smoke burst when you exit the meeting. make your avatar hold up a sign that says "Why Am I Here?". maybe have your avatar start throwing money at the presenter so they can buy a clue? like, if we're going to use VR and live in the metaverse, let's do things there that we can't do IRL.
- chihuahua 4y agoMaybe Meta's monetization strategy is that for $1/minute, you can put your avatar on autopilot so it moves as if you were there, while you're in the kitchen tempering chocolate. For $2/minute, it responds to questions addressed to it with GPL3 generated speech. (Zuck_make_it_rain.gif)
- dylan604 4y agoI kind of want to do something similar but without meta. If it weren't for morals/ethics/whatever about sending company data to 3rd parties, I would love to have GPL3 respond to a subset of my emails for a few weeks just to see if anyone would notice.
- danwee 4y agoYou don't need an avatar for that. Just leave (phisically) your laptop while but stay connected (camera off).
- beowulfey 4y agoCould be worth trying to change that culture, as it is a waste of time that applies whether meetings are virtual or in person.
- dougmwne 4y agoSure, the moment I am promoted to CEO of this Fortune 500, I will send along all staff a pamphlet on effective meetings.
- lumost 4y agoI bet Language models will soon be a key feature of zoom. The Language model will serve as an auto-pilot for pointless meetings where it uses your previous history to predict when to say "nice" or "<insert rant on RAII here>", a paging system will be in place if the content of the meeting reaches a high enough perplexity that your frontal cortex is required.
- dougmwne 4y agoWhile I’m unsure if this is satire, I am all in! A pre-sentient language model would do a great job attending meetings on my behalf. It could also probably do a better job chatting about sports than I can and could send me a daily summary each evening.
- nvrspyx 4y agoThis reminded me of the episode of Silicon Valley where Gilfoye and Dinesh build chat bots to take their place for all the boring work chats. Then, the bots end up chatting with each other causing a feedback loop that overloads the building's power. I find the idea of two bots having a conversation on Zoom while both people are doing actual work hilarious.
- cercatrova 4y agoSilicon Valley, the show, is surprisingly prescient. It is too real sometimes even.
- chihuahua 4y agoMike Judge is an underrated genius: Beavis & Butt-head, King of the hill, Office Space, Idiocracy, Silicon Valley, etc.
- eptcyka 4y agoThere's nothing stopping me from checking out in real world meetings too. But in a remote meeting, when I check out, I can at least be productive.
- croes 4y agoLack of necessity of a meeting is the real killer of productivity.
- spywaregorilla 4y ago> Lack of focus is a killer for productivity. Killer new feature: virtual monitors are anchored to your head. You cannot look away!
- chihuahua 4y agoPlus eye-tracking can detect when you're not looking at the right thing, and deliver electric shocks to your temples.
- anothernewdude 4y agoActually, the fact that people can check out of online meetings has improved productivity vs in-person meetings.
- triceratops 4y agoI work in a company where I'm allowed to leave meetings that aren't interesting to me. The problem is with "status update" or "brainstorming" meetings where I'm expected to contribute but only fleetingly, or intermittently. I know I'll be needed for about 2 minutes at some point, but it's not clear when.
- picsao 4y ago
- sottol 4y agoA problem with online meetings? Any meeting I've been to with more than about 4 participants had most attendants present but checked out. Maybe the point is that participants should just be able to leave but that seldom happens imo for various reasons.
- time_to_smile 4y ago> Lack of focus is a killer for productivity. You're implying that the "lack of focus" is in the people attending the meeting not paying attention. The real place focus is lacking is in the things the meeting, which is not engaging to its attendees, is taking away from. Good meetings, whether remote or in person, have everyone engaged because the content is immediately relevant and pressing to all attendees. Personally I've found that short, small, highly focused meeting are easier to have than in person. In an online environment it's not too bad if you invite more people than really need to be at the meeting precisely because if you need to be there "just in case", you can keep the tab open while you work on other stuff. The equivalent of this in-person is just more painful, not more productive. It's the meeting where you consciously struggle to pay attention to something that doesn't really concern you because it would be rude to just walk out.
- Robotbeat 4y agoThe solution is to fix the fake culture where people pretend it’s more rude to walk out than mentally check out.
- kortilla 4y ago> while pretending to still be present is kind of a drawback of online meeting Vs in-person meetings. Lack of focus is a killer for productivity. Have you been in meetings before online? People were on their phones and laptops all of the time then too. If strapping horse blinders to your employees’ heads during all meetings is the solution to keep their attention, you have bigger cultural issues at hand.
- nitwit005 4y agoI was on the laptop doing stuff in plenty of in person meetings as well.
- picsao 4y ago
- insane_dreamer 4y agoOn the other hand sometimes people need to be in the meeting but for the next 15 min the conversation might be about something unrelated to them; I’m happy they can multitask during that time without distrActing the rest of the team. That would not be possible in VR