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I haven’t but am curious what you thought were the biggest improvements over a standard meeting. Did you try virtual sticky notes/whiteboarding or any other co

by prng2021 4y ago

I haven’t but am curious what you thought were the biggest improvements over a standard meeting. Did you try virtual sticky notes/whiteboarding or any other collaborative tasks?

beeandapenguin 4y ago
VR adds a third dimension compared to a typical remote meeting. For me, this gives a sense of locality, as if you’re sitting next to a specific person (not a bunch of tiles) and can communicate with them naturally. Features like breakout rooms are not required. Any other remote meeting features like virtual whiteboards are usually the same level of convenience, or more so. It’s almost like progressive enhancement when the meeting has both VR and non-VR attendees.
- antoniuschan99 4y ago
  That’s a big thing that I find missing. In zoom meetings you can’t talk over each other. Like in a normal room of people there can be a bunch of conversations happening at once (like you can whisper to the person next to you if there’s a presentation, or even during a gathering you can walk around and say hi to different people)
chaostheory 4y ago
It’s the immersion of “being there”. It’s the same reason why playing poker in VR is better than playing it on a flatscreen against your friends and family who are hundreds of miles away. Yes, visual fidelity isn’t the best when using something like a Quest, but there’s still something there just like when people first tried out YouTube. I’m sure there were people going, “why not watch cable Tv instead?” It’s hard to put into words. You have to try it. For some reason, that is not something a lot of HN users are willing to do with modern VR. Google Cardboard is not modern VR
- kortilla 4y ago
  > like when people first tried out YouTube. I’m sure there were people going, “why not watch cable Tv instead?” But youtube obviously had something cable tv didn’t - user generated content. The Quest is the equivalent of youtube just being a crappy bootleg of cable TV. > It’s hard to put into words. You have to try it. For some reason, that is not something a lot of HN users are willing to do with modern VR. Because the current offer is “bad emulation of office meetings that weren’t great to begin with”. Would you be thrilled to use a Quest to wait your turn in a virtual lobby of a DMV to talk to a teller to pay for a license renewal? Or would you rather just pay it online with a credit card on a web page?
  - chaostheory 4y ago
    > But youtube obviously had something cable tv didn’t - user generated content. Yes, but armchair pundits couldn’t see any advantage similar to how older people view VR now. > Would you be thrilled to use a Quest to wait your turn in a virtual lobby of a DMV to talk to a teller to pay for a license renewal? This is a terrible analogy because the DMV is not a meeting. It’s a service and it’s already being automated. You have bad analogies because you haven’t used VR enough, if at all, to really have such a strong opinion. This is no different from senior citizens who used to constantly hurl insults at the internet, video games, comics, or any new trend
    - seti0Cha 4y ago
      I think the point is that the goal of a meeting is not to have a meeting, so being more meeting-like is not necessarily a good thing.
      - chaostheory 4y ago
        My point is that a lot of the people complaining about VR haven’t even tried it to experience its immersion. Until you understand that, you won’t understand what VR brings to meetings. It doesn’t demo well on a flat screen.
        4y ago

I haven’t but am curious what you thought were the biggest improvements over a standard meeting. Did you try virtual sticky notes/whiteboarding or any other collaborative tasks?

beeandapenguin 4y ago

VR adds a third dimension compared to a typical remote meeting. For me, this gives a sense of locality, as if you’re sitting next to a specific person (not a bunch of tiles) and can communicate with them naturally. Features like breakout rooms are not required. Any other remote meeting features like virtual whiteboards are usually the same level of convenience, or more so. It’s almost like progressive enhancement when the meeting has both VR and non-VR attendees.

antoniuschan99 4y ago
That’s a big thing that I find missing. In zoom meetings you can’t talk over each other. Like in a normal room of people there can be a bunch of conversations happening at once (like you can whisper to the person next to you if there’s a presentation, or even during a gathering you can walk around and say hi to different people)

chaostheory 4y ago

It’s the immersion of “being there”. It’s the same reason why playing poker in VR is better than playing it on a flatscreen against your friends and family who are hundreds of miles away. Yes, visual fidelity isn’t the best when using something like a Quest, but there’s still something there just like when people first tried out YouTube. I’m sure there were people going, “why not watch cable Tv instead?” It’s hard to put into words. You have to try it. For some reason, that is not something a lot of HN users are willing to do with modern VR. Google Cardboard is not modern VR

kortilla 4y ago
> like when people first tried out YouTube. I’m sure there were people going, “why not watch cable Tv instead?” But youtube obviously had something cable tv didn’t - user generated content. The Quest is the equivalent of youtube just being a crappy bootleg of cable TV. > It’s hard to put into words. You have to try it. For some reason, that is not something a lot of HN users are willing to do with modern VR. Because the current offer is “bad emulation of office meetings that weren’t great to begin with”. Would you be thrilled to use a Quest to wait your turn in a virtual lobby of a DMV to talk to a teller to pay for a license renewal? Or would you rather just pay it online with a credit card on a web page?
- chaostheory 4y ago
  > But youtube obviously had something cable tv didn’t - user generated content. Yes, but armchair pundits couldn’t see any advantage similar to how older people view VR now. > Would you be thrilled to use a Quest to wait your turn in a virtual lobby of a DMV to talk to a teller to pay for a license renewal? This is a terrible analogy because the DMV is not a meeting. It’s a service and it’s already being automated. You have bad analogies because you haven’t used VR enough, if at all, to really have such a strong opinion. This is no different from senior citizens who used to constantly hurl insults at the internet, video games, comics, or any new trend
  - seti0Cha 4y ago
    I think the point is that the goal of a meeting is not to have a meeting, so being more meeting-like is not necessarily a good thing.
    - chaostheory 4y ago
      My point is that a lot of the people complaining about VR haven’t even tried it to experience its immersion. Until you understand that, you won’t understand what VR brings to meetings. It doesn’t demo well on a flat screen.
      - 4y ago