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Optically maybe, if that’s what you’re aiming for. Just assuming that the “group of white men” are “all the same” is not very deep. The truth is that they’re al

Optically maybe, if that’s what you’re aiming for. Just assuming that the “group of white men” are “all the same” is not very deep. The truth is that they’re all individuals with individual stories strangers who judge them by their looks know nothing about. It used to be understood as a good thing to not judge people based on their gender or skin color, including the nowadays declared “evil” white men.

slt2021 4y ago
right words, but it is not what's happening in real world in hiring
nonethewiser 4y ago
DIE initiatives achieve extremely poor diversity of beliefs. The type of diversity that matters. It is outright hostile to it.
ParetoOptimal 4y ago
> Optically maybe, if that’s what you’re aiming for. Just assuming that the “group of white men” are “all the same” is not very deep. Not just optically. Even slightly different cultures can result in novel ways of thinking or world views that bring something new.
- randomdata 4y ago
  That's what the parent is saying. The aforementioned black woman may have more in common with the white men on the team than other white men. If you were striving for true diversity, it is quite possible that yet another white man with a different background would provide the greatest diversity, but if you are only optimizing for optical diversity then those considerations go out the window.
  - ParetoOptimal 4y ago
    > aforementioned black woman may have more in common with the white men on the team than other white men. Diverse viewpoints are more likely to arise from introducing 3 black women to a group of 3 white men than if you introduced 3 more white men. > it is quite possible that yet another white man with a different background would provide the greatest diversity, Are you and the parent really arguing white men are even better than black women at diversity?
    - randomdata 4y ago
      > Are you and the parent really arguing white men are even better than black women at diversity? People with different backgrounds are "better" at diversity than people with the same background who look dissimilar, for sure. The wealthy black woman who went to school at Stanford alongside all the other white men on your team does not bring any meaningful difference in viewpoint. The tribesman from Kenya, on the other hand, comes with a very different outlook. Of course, something akin to "Must be a US Citizen" is attached to most jobs because we don't actually care about diversity, just optics.

slt2021 4y ago

right words, but it is not what's happening in real world in hiring

nonethewiser 4y ago

DIE initiatives achieve extremely poor diversity of beliefs. The type of diversity that matters. It is outright hostile to it.

ParetoOptimal 4y ago

> Optically maybe, if that’s what you’re aiming for. Just assuming that the “group of white men” are “all the same” is not very deep. Not just optically. Even slightly different cultures can result in novel ways of thinking or world views that bring something new.

randomdata 4y ago
That's what the parent is saying. The aforementioned black woman may have more in common with the white men on the team than other white men. If you were striving for true diversity, it is quite possible that yet another white man with a different background would provide the greatest diversity, but if you are only optimizing for optical diversity then those considerations go out the window.
- ParetoOptimal 4y ago
  > aforementioned black woman may have more in common with the white men on the team than other white men. Diverse viewpoints are more likely to arise from introducing 3 black women to a group of 3 white men than if you introduced 3 more white men. > it is quite possible that yet another white man with a different background would provide the greatest diversity, Are you and the parent really arguing white men are even better than black women at diversity?
  - randomdata 4y ago
    > Are you and the parent really arguing white men are even better than black women at diversity? People with different backgrounds are "better" at diversity than people with the same background who look dissimilar, for sure. The wealthy black woman who went to school at Stanford alongside all the other white men on your team does not bring any meaningful difference in viewpoint. The tribesman from Kenya, on the other hand, comes with a very different outlook. Of course, something akin to "Must be a US Citizen" is attached to most jobs because we don't actually care about diversity, just optics.