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You all sound so angry. Relax and move on. From this article and from apple apparently.

hackish 4y ago
At the time of my reply, there are 11 comments with only one being overtly negative (towards bug report resourcing). The post is less than 25 minutes old. Surely we can afford HN more time than that to move on?
- duxup 4y ago
  I suspect the comment you're replying to is also thinking of other posts, but if so, yes that makes it confusing too. You're response is no less accurate. Personally I do tire from the <insert pet gripe about X company in the announcement> and general pessimism around HN. I'd much rather hear about what folks think of the specific thing and less about the ongoing conversation about topics surrounding the company. So I kinda get that sentiment.
nixpulvis 4y ago
I've been trying to move on from Apple for over half a decade now. There's just not good alternatives in my opinion. :( Plus a lot of my stuff is locked up with them and I don't have the time to migrate all of it right now. Specifically, music is a big issue for me.
- prange 4y ago
  This seems to be a common position, but a weird one. It seems like you are saying Apple is the best, but you are mad at them, even though nobody can do better.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - dmitriid 4y ago
    How is it weird? They can be both better and bad. It just means that everyone else is worse.
    - prange 4y ago
      It’s not weird to think it’s the best and that the best is bad. What is weird is to be angry about it.
      - nixpulvis 4y ago
        Why? My phone is as close to a physical extension of my mind as anything I can imagine ever existing short of implants I'm unsure I would care for. I guess I can only hope we fix these problems before everyone starts putting "smart" contacts in their eyes.
        prange 4y ago
        Sure - but why the anger? Why not direct the anger at Linux. Everyone goes on about how philosophically great it is. Why not be angry that it doesn’t deliver on experience and features?
        ksec 4y ago
        >Why not be angry that it doesn’t deliver on experience and features? Because Apple practically has unlimited resources and power while Linux and its ecosystem doesn't?
        prange 4y ago
        “Apple has practically unlimited resources and power” This statement isn’t grounded in reality. If it were, it would make more sense to be angry that they haven’t solved world hunger and ended the threat of nuclear war.
      - dmitriid 4y ago
        Why shouldn't we be angry about a declining quality of a good product?
  - everyone 4y ago
    In my experience, talking to a mac user about macs is like talking to a smoker about smoking. U can explain with facts how it's expensive and harmful, but u will never convince them to stop.
    - prange 4y ago
      The grandparent comment said there is nothing better. Stop and use what?
      - nixpulvis 4y ago
        Haha, this thread is ripe for wordplay. "Nothing is better than smoking" ;)
        prange 4y ago
        For sure - you can always give up on computers!
    - everyone 4y ago
      @prange.. Windows LTSC or any kind of Linux u want, setup exactly how u want, on exactly the hardware u want. You know, like some kind of "personal computer" almost, which you the user have control over and can do what u want with.
      - prange 4y ago
        Obviously the commenter I was replying to doesn’t think Linux or Windows are good enough, no matter how you ‘set them up’.
        nixpulvis 4y ago
        I've been using Linux on my Thinkpads for a while now. As well as many other machines. It does have some issues, primarily when it comes time to integrate with my smartphone, which is the primary issue here. And before someone chimes in, yes I have used both the PinePhone and Purism platforms. They are promising, but not a suitable replacement yet.
  - nixpulvis 4y ago
    Exactly! I literally quit my job at Apple shortly after having this realization myself. It's actually a somewhat comical short tale. So there I am sitting at my desk right outside the iPhone hardware team's main conference room. I don't recall who on my subteam I was talking with when an exec meeting was just ending from that room, but I distinctly remember exclaiming "We're not good, but we're the best!" before looking up to see people like my boss's boss's boss and the likes. Yikes. But also, fuck them all, they were probably having a meeting to discuss how they could calm down people about the 3.5mm jack they removed.
    - prange 4y ago
      Are you actually claiming that to be a real event? The only thing of note about it seems to be you personally making a statement at work that honestly doesn’t sound a million miles away from what Steve Jobs or Jony Ive might have said. They were famously never satisfied, even though they thought their products were the best.
udev 4y ago
If everyone around, except you, sounds angry about something, it might just mean something is wrong. Whether this goes against your comfy-in-my-relaxed-state attitude, or you are not ready to face the negative information, does not mean everything is fine.
- hutzlibu 4y ago
  " does not mean everything is fine. " He or she never said that. He said that if you move away from apple, all your problems with apple are gone and you can relax. So you can basically translate it to: "if you all are so angry with Apple, then why do you keep developing for Apple?" (to which the answer of course is: money)
  - sixstringtheory 4y ago
    The devil you know is better than the one you don’t. Also, those with issues tend to be the loudest. You don’t hear from all the people who are basically fine with the status quo, or even from the complainers about all the things they are satisfied with on the platform. Personally, I love using and developing for the Apple ecosystem, but I too have my gripes. I would rather my perceived issues be fixed, therefore making things even better, than starting from square one on an inferior platform. Which leads to another saying: Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

At the time of my reply, there are 11 comments with only one being overtly negative (towards bug report resourcing). The post is less than 25 minutes old. Surely we can afford HN more time than that to move on?

duxup 4y ago
I suspect the comment you're replying to is also thinking of other posts, but if so, yes that makes it confusing too. You're response is no less accurate. Personally I do tire from the <insert pet gripe about X company in the announcement> and general pessimism around HN. I'd much rather hear about what folks think of the specific thing and less about the ongoing conversation about topics surrounding the company. So I kinda get that sentiment.

nixpulvis 4y ago

I've been trying to move on from Apple for over half a decade now. There's just not good alternatives in my opinion. :( Plus a lot of my stuff is locked up with them and I don't have the time to migrate all of it right now. Specifically, music is a big issue for me.

prange 4y ago
This seems to be a common position, but a weird one. It seems like you are saying Apple is the best, but you are mad at them, even though nobody can do better.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- dmitriid 4y ago
  How is it weird? They can be both better and bad. It just means that everyone else is worse.
  - prange 4y ago
    It’s not weird to think it’s the best and that the best is bad. What is weird is to be angry about it.
    - nixpulvis 4y ago
      Why? My phone is as close to a physical extension of my mind as anything I can imagine ever existing short of implants I'm unsure I would care for. I guess I can only hope we fix these problems before everyone starts putting "smart" contacts in their eyes.
      - prange 4y ago
        Sure - but why the anger? Why not direct the anger at Linux. Everyone goes on about how philosophically great it is. Why not be angry that it doesn’t deliver on experience and features?
        ksec 4y ago
        >Why not be angry that it doesn’t deliver on experience and features? Because Apple practically has unlimited resources and power while Linux and its ecosystem doesn't?
        prange 4y ago
        “Apple has practically unlimited resources and power” This statement isn’t grounded in reality. If it were, it would make more sense to be angry that they haven’t solved world hunger and ended the threat of nuclear war.
    - dmitriid 4y ago
      Why shouldn't we be angry about a declining quality of a good product?
- everyone 4y ago
  In my experience, talking to a mac user about macs is like talking to a smoker about smoking. U can explain with facts how it's expensive and harmful, but u will never convince them to stop.
  - prange 4y ago
    The grandparent comment said there is nothing better. Stop and use what?
    - nixpulvis 4y ago
      Haha, this thread is ripe for wordplay. "Nothing is better than smoking" ;)
      - prange 4y ago
        For sure - you can always give up on computers!
  - everyone 4y ago
    @prange.. Windows LTSC or any kind of Linux u want, setup exactly how u want, on exactly the hardware u want. You know, like some kind of "personal computer" almost, which you the user have control over and can do what u want with.
    - prange 4y ago
      Obviously the commenter I was replying to doesn’t think Linux or Windows are good enough, no matter how you ‘set them up’.
      - nixpulvis 4y ago
        I've been using Linux on my Thinkpads for a while now. As well as many other machines. It does have some issues, primarily when it comes time to integrate with my smartphone, which is the primary issue here. And before someone chimes in, yes I have used both the PinePhone and Purism platforms. They are promising, but not a suitable replacement yet.
- nixpulvis 4y ago
  Exactly! I literally quit my job at Apple shortly after having this realization myself. It's actually a somewhat comical short tale. So there I am sitting at my desk right outside the iPhone hardware team's main conference room. I don't recall who on my subteam I was talking with when an exec meeting was just ending from that room, but I distinctly remember exclaiming "We're not good, but we're the best!" before looking up to see people like my boss's boss's boss and the likes. Yikes. But also, fuck them all, they were probably having a meeting to discuss how they could calm down people about the 3.5mm jack they removed.
  - prange 4y ago
    Are you actually claiming that to be a real event? The only thing of note about it seems to be you personally making a statement at work that honestly doesn’t sound a million miles away from what Steve Jobs or Jony Ive might have said. They were famously never satisfied, even though they thought their products were the best.

udev 4y ago

If everyone around, except you, sounds angry about something, it might just mean something is wrong. Whether this goes against your comfy-in-my-relaxed-state attitude, or you are not ready to face the negative information, does not mean everything is fine.

hutzlibu 4y ago
" does not mean everything is fine. " He or she never said that. He said that if you move away from apple, all your problems with apple are gone and you can relax. So you can basically translate it to: "if you all are so angry with Apple, then why do you keep developing for Apple?" (to which the answer of course is: money)
- sixstringtheory 4y ago
  The devil you know is better than the one you don’t. Also, those with issues tend to be the loudest. You don’t hear from all the people who are basically fine with the status quo, or even from the complainers about all the things they are satisfied with on the platform. Personally, I love using and developing for the Apple ecosystem, but I too have my gripes. I would rather my perceived issues be fixed, therefore making things even better, than starting from square one on an inferior platform. Which leads to another saying: Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.