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Why are they "morally wrong"? Why can't we "legislate charity"? We already have means-tested taxpayer-funded programs that help the needy such as SNAP/TANF/EITC

by vore 4y ago

Why are they "morally wrong"? Why can't we "legislate charity"? We already have means-tested taxpayer-funded programs that help the needy such as SNAP/TANF/EITC which fall under "legislated charity".

exabrial 4y ago
Do you _really_ believe your tax funds are actually feeding people? They're being wasted and wrought with fraud, and believing anything else is a fantasy. There are poorly run charities that are far more efficient than those programs.
- vore 4y ago
  Wasted how? Fraud how? Which charities are more efficient? You're pulling a massive "Source: Dude trust me" here.
  - google234123 4y ago
    One example: high speed rail. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/09/us/california-high-speed-rail-politics.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/09/us/california-high-speed-... There are enumerable examples of fraud and waste coming from gov spending.
    - vore 4y ago
      This is not a social program like UBI. High speed rail is not remotely in the same category as social welfare programs, unless you really want to stretch the definition of a social welfare program.
- crazygringo 4y ago
  You can literally look up the numbers for budget allocated to SNAP and how much of it gets sent out via cards and how much of that gets spent at grocery stores. I'm not going to do it for you though since you can easily educate yourself, and you're the one initiating unsupported claims here. So... yes? I _really_ relieve my tax funds are actually feeding people. It's a fact. Unless you're a conspiracy theorist who thinks the government is lying about the numbers and it's actually a slush fund for the CIA or something, but in that case there's not much of a conversation to be had.
  - google234123 4y ago
    I think the OP is talking about overall gov spending (snap is probably tiny) and it's pretty easy to find numerous enormous examples of fraud and waste. I'm glad you are happy about the SNAP program but the US gov has spent so many additional trillions recently which is likely now to cause a recession and high inflation.
    - yamtaddle 4y ago
      > > We already have means-tested taxpayer-funded programs that help the needy such as SNAP/TANF/EITC which fall under "legislated charity". > There are poorly run charities that are far more efficient than those programs Pretty sure they specifically meant social programs, and especially the means-tested ones.
    - crazygringo 4y ago
      Nope, they were talking about literally feeding people, in response to a comment about SNAP, which is food stamps. They weren't talking about fraud and waste overall, they were talking specifically about waste in distributing charity. So whatever point you're trying to make has nothing to do with what I was responding to.
- yamtaddle 4y ago
  Citation incredibly needed. The standard view among policy wonks—backed by evidence—is that US social programs are remarkably efficient with their spending.
  - harlequinn77 4y ago

by vore 4y ago

Why are they "morally wrong"? Why can't we "legislate charity"? We already have means-tested taxpayer-funded programs that help the needy such as SNAP/TANF/EITC which fall under "legislated charity".

exabrial 4y ago

Do you _really_ believe your tax funds are actually feeding people? They're being wasted and wrought with fraud, and believing anything else is a fantasy. There are poorly run charities that are far more efficient than those programs.

vore 4y ago
Wasted how? Fraud how? Which charities are more efficient? You're pulling a massive "Source: Dude trust me" here.
- google234123 4y ago
  One example: high speed rail. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/09/us/california-high-speed-rail-politics.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/09/us/california-high-speed-... There are enumerable examples of fraud and waste coming from gov spending.
  - vore 4y ago
    This is not a social program like UBI. High speed rail is not remotely in the same category as social welfare programs, unless you really want to stretch the definition of a social welfare program.
crazygringo 4y ago
You can literally look up the numbers for budget allocated to SNAP and how much of it gets sent out via cards and how much of that gets spent at grocery stores. I'm not going to do it for you though since you can easily educate yourself, and you're the one initiating unsupported claims here. So... yes? I _really_ relieve my tax funds are actually feeding people. It's a fact. Unless you're a conspiracy theorist who thinks the government is lying about the numbers and it's actually a slush fund for the CIA or something, but in that case there's not much of a conversation to be had.
- google234123 4y ago
  I think the OP is talking about overall gov spending (snap is probably tiny) and it's pretty easy to find numerous enormous examples of fraud and waste. I'm glad you are happy about the SNAP program but the US gov has spent so many additional trillions recently which is likely now to cause a recession and high inflation.
  - yamtaddle 4y ago
    > > We already have means-tested taxpayer-funded programs that help the needy such as SNAP/TANF/EITC which fall under "legislated charity". > There are poorly run charities that are far more efficient than those programs Pretty sure they specifically meant social programs, and especially the means-tested ones.
  - crazygringo 4y ago
    Nope, they were talking about literally feeding people, in response to a comment about SNAP, which is food stamps. They weren't talking about fraud and waste overall, they were talking specifically about waste in distributing charity. So whatever point you're trying to make has nothing to do with what I was responding to.
yamtaddle 4y ago
Citation incredibly needed. The standard view among policy wonks—backed by evidence—is that US social programs are remarkably efficient with their spending.
- harlequinn77 4y ago