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> You still lose the collaboration aspect There are research collaborations between the USA and China, why couldn’t UK researchers still collaborate with Europ

> You still lose the collaboration aspect There are research collaborations between the USA and China, why couldn’t UK researchers still collaborate with Europe? If not then this is a petty and childish state of affairs that reflects very badly on both the UK and the EU.

rwmj 4y ago
It's actually very difficult for researchers to obtain visas to travel from certain countries to the USA. The UK and EU27 used to have free movement so there was literally no red tape beyond "is your passport up to date?" Now you need to get a visa from the Home Office (or vice versa) and that adds considerably to the time and complexity. If you have family it may not be possible to bring them along at all. This isn't "childish", it's exactly what Brexit was intended to do.
- mcv 4y ago
  > it's exactly what Brexit was intended to do. These sort of details weren't specified in the referendum, though. What we currently call Brexit is mostly unfounded interpretation by the successive governments of the UK.
- nyokodo 4y ago
  > This isn't "childish", it's exactly what Brexit was intended to do. I find it hard to believe that the UK v EU red tape is more implacable than that between the US and China. However, if it is then it is arbitrary, petty, and vindictive nonsense. If it’s not then it’s childish and petulant reluctance to get to work overcoming the obstacle and getting on with the real work.
  - renewedrebecca 4y ago
    The problem is that the conservatives in the UK govt. don't care about things like this. It's tax cuts and wrecking the NHS so private health care companies can come in and "fix" things. It's so much like the situation in the US, except compared to Trump, even Johnson seemed somewhat reasonable.
    - mcv 4y ago
      "Reasonable" is not a word I'd use for Johnson, but he is intelligent. His looking like an idiot was mostly an act in order to look disarming.
    - c7THEC2DDFVV2V 4y ago
      this is pure ideological misinformation. It was Labour who actually started the privatisation of NHS services in 2003. Keir Starmer has also been quite vocal that NHS privatisation would continue under Labour. Politicians of all walks of life do not have a solution that doesn't involve privatisation. fix up.

rwmj 4y ago

It's actually very difficult for researchers to obtain visas to travel from certain countries to the USA. The UK and EU27 used to have free movement so there was literally no red tape beyond "is your passport up to date?" Now you need to get a visa from the Home Office (or vice versa) and that adds considerably to the time and complexity. If you have family it may not be possible to bring them along at all. This isn't "childish", it's exactly what Brexit was intended to do.

mcv 4y ago
> it's exactly what Brexit was intended to do. These sort of details weren't specified in the referendum, though. What we currently call Brexit is mostly unfounded interpretation by the successive governments of the UK.
nyokodo 4y ago
> This isn't "childish", it's exactly what Brexit was intended to do. I find it hard to believe that the UK v EU red tape is more implacable than that between the US and China. However, if it is then it is arbitrary, petty, and vindictive nonsense. If it’s not then it’s childish and petulant reluctance to get to work overcoming the obstacle and getting on with the real work.
- renewedrebecca 4y ago
  The problem is that the conservatives in the UK govt. don't care about things like this. It's tax cuts and wrecking the NHS so private health care companies can come in and "fix" things. It's so much like the situation in the US, except compared to Trump, even Johnson seemed somewhat reasonable.
  - mcv 4y ago
    "Reasonable" is not a word I'd use for Johnson, but he is intelligent. His looking like an idiot was mostly an act in order to look disarming.
  - c7THEC2DDFVV2V 4y ago
    this is pure ideological misinformation. It was Labour who actually started the privatisation of NHS services in 2003. Keir Starmer has also been quite vocal that NHS privatisation would continue under Labour. Politicians of all walks of life do not have a solution that doesn't involve privatisation. fix up.