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Not sure how either of those things mean Apple has won. Samsung outsells Apple, which has only 20% of sales.

by mavhc 4y ago

Sunspark 4y ago
It hasn't won at all. One reason I use Android is because it has apps I use that don't exist on iOS. File explorer, h/w accelerated video player w/ codec support, manga reader, etc. iMessage doesn't mean anything to me anymore. Apple waited too long and didn't open it up when they should have, same mistake BlackBerry made.
- Tijdreiziger 4y ago
  File explorer exists on iOS. Manga reader - there are options, but less convenient than on Android.
  - Melatonic 4y ago
    Did not know this - what limitations are there?
  - Sunspark 4y ago
    No torrent software though. Forbidden by Apple.
- nehal3m 4y ago
  One reason I use Android that has no viable replacement on iOS is call recording. I deal with government officials a lot and I want to hold them accountable (I live in a nation with one-party consent laws, in the sense that I only need my own permission to record a conversation). iOS will not let you do this natively, you have to add a call recording service via a three-way call whereas I can do this out of the box with /e/OS on a Fairphone.
  - pwinnski 4y ago
    This is one of the best reasons I've ever heard for not running iOS. I completely understand why Apple won't allow it from a third party: that's a security and privacy nightmare. I even somewhat understand why Apple hasn't developed such a feature themselves: it's a very minority use case and has some legal concerns in some jurisdictions. But the end result is, yes, iOS is not for anyone that needs to record calls like that.
scarface74 4y ago
The average selling price of Samsung phones is around $250. https://www.sammobile.com/news/average-selling-price-samsung-smartphone-improved-q1-2020/ https://www.sammobile.com/news/average-selling-price-samsung... The ASP of the iPhone for the same year was $800. https://www.statista.com/chart/15379/iphone-asp/ https://www.statista.com/chart/15379/iphone-asp/ Who do you think has the better business model?
- mavhc 4y ago
  That is the question of the ages, many cheap things or fewer expensive things. Problem is the cheap things get better and better until the only reason you stay on the expensive thing is they're actively trying to lock you in in a desperate attempt to keep their marketshare
  - scarface74 4y ago
    Well, you’re not the first person to get this wrong. Clay Christenson, the author of “The Innovator’s Dilemna” and the person who came up with the entire theory of “low end disruption” said the same thing about the iPhone in 2007. But Apple has been selling electronics that cost more than its competitors since 1980.
    - mavhc 4y ago
      And they only almost went bankrupt a few times. Rolex has been doing the same thing. If they don't want to sell to everyone, that's fine, but if most people can't afford your product, you're not going to win the market by definition. They could sell their phones for way cheaper, but they don't want to, why? Because less profit. Guess we should define what Winning means
      - scarface74 4y ago
        > Guess we should define what Winning means For a for profit company, profit is winning. “Market share” never paid a bill. There is a reason that Apple has been one of the three most valuable companies in the US since 2011. They almost went bankrupt once because: - supply chain issues: they thought that users wanted low end Macs and they manufactured too many of them and not enough high end Macs. Everyone agrees that Apple now is the best in the world when it comes to managing their supply chain - the processors they were using were behind performance wise. It was hard to compete when Apple was only selling a few million Macs and Intel could throw money at performance thanks to having the entire PC market. Now Apple sells about as many ARM based devices as the entire personal computer market (not including servers) and has higher margins to invest. Again no one is saying that Apple doesn’t have the best processors. - the operating system was far behind the competition. That’s definitely not the case now. Apple has shown to be far more nimble than its competitors. - there was a dearth of software for its platform. Now that’s definitely not the case except for computer games . The PC gaming market is small and declining. - They didn’t have any cash on hand. Apple has $200 billion in cash now and it’s doing all it can to throw off cash via stock buybacks and dividends. It could easily have more if it saw that it needed it down the road https://www.investors.com/etfs-and-funds/sectors/sp500-companies-stockpile-1-trillion-cash-investors-want-it/ https://www.investors.com/etfs-and-funds/sectors/sp500-compa...

Not sure how either of those things mean Apple has won. Samsung outsells Apple, which has only 20% of sales.

by mavhc 4y ago

Not sure how either of those things mean Apple has won. Samsung outsells Apple, which has only 20% of sales.

It hasn't won at all. One reason I use Android is because it has apps I use that don't exist on iOS. File explorer, h/w accelerated video player w/ codec support, manga reader, etc. iMessage doesn't mean anything to me anymore. Apple waited too long and didn't open it up when they should have, same mistake BlackBerry made.

Tijdreiziger 4y ago
File explorer exists on iOS. Manga reader - there are options, but less convenient than on Android.
- Melatonic 4y ago
  Did not know this - what limitations are there?
- Sunspark 4y ago
  No torrent software though. Forbidden by Apple.
nehal3m 4y ago
One reason I use Android that has no viable replacement on iOS is call recording. I deal with government officials a lot and I want to hold them accountable (I live in a nation with one-party consent laws, in the sense that I only need my own permission to record a conversation). iOS will not let you do this natively, you have to add a call recording service via a three-way call whereas I can do this out of the box with /e/OS on a Fairphone.
- pwinnski 4y ago
  This is one of the best reasons I've ever heard for not running iOS. I completely understand why Apple won't allow it from a third party: that's a security and privacy nightmare. I even somewhat understand why Apple hasn't developed such a feature themselves: it's a very minority use case and has some legal concerns in some jurisdictions. But the end result is, yes, iOS is not for anyone that needs to record calls like that.

scarface74 4y ago

The average selling price of Samsung phones is around $250. https://www.sammobile.com/news/average-selling-price-samsung-smartphone-improved-q1-2020/ https://www.sammobile.com/news/average-selling-price-samsung... The ASP of the iPhone for the same year was $800. https://www.statista.com/chart/15379/iphone-asp/ https://www.statista.com/chart/15379/iphone-asp/ Who do you think has the better business model?

mavhc 4y ago
That is the question of the ages, many cheap things or fewer expensive things. Problem is the cheap things get better and better until the only reason you stay on the expensive thing is they're actively trying to lock you in in a desperate attempt to keep their marketshare
- scarface74 4y ago
  Well, you’re not the first person to get this wrong. Clay Christenson, the author of “The Innovator’s Dilemna” and the person who came up with the entire theory of “low end disruption” said the same thing about the iPhone in 2007. But Apple has been selling electronics that cost more than its competitors since 1980.
  - mavhc 4y ago
    And they only almost went bankrupt a few times. Rolex has been doing the same thing. If they don't want to sell to everyone, that's fine, but if most people can't afford your product, you're not going to win the market by definition. They could sell their phones for way cheaper, but they don't want to, why? Because less profit. Guess we should define what Winning means
    - scarface74 4y ago
      > Guess we should define what Winning means For a for profit company, profit is winning. “Market share” never paid a bill. There is a reason that Apple has been one of the three most valuable companies in the US since 2011. They almost went bankrupt once because: - supply chain issues: they thought that users wanted low end Macs and they manufactured too many of them and not enough high end Macs. Everyone agrees that Apple now is the best in the world when it comes to managing their supply chain - the processors they were using were behind performance wise. It was hard to compete when Apple was only selling a few million Macs and Intel could throw money at performance thanks to having the entire PC market. Now Apple sells about as many ARM based devices as the entire personal computer market (not including servers) and has higher margins to invest. Again no one is saying that Apple doesn’t have the best processors. - the operating system was far behind the competition. That’s definitely not the case now. Apple has shown to be far more nimble than its competitors. - there was a dearth of software for its platform. Now that’s definitely not the case except for computer games . The PC gaming market is small and declining. - They didn’t have any cash on hand. Apple has $200 billion in cash now and it’s doing all it can to throw off cash via stock buybacks and dividends. It could easily have more if it saw that it needed it down the road https://www.investors.com/etfs-and-funds/sectors/sp500-companies-stockpile-1-trillion-cash-investors-want-it/ https://www.investors.com/etfs-and-funds/sectors/sp500-compa...