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> * Higher density living i don't think it'd actually be that unpopular IF it comes with decent public transport + walkability + mixed use and such, like in eu

> * Higher density living i don't think it'd actually be that unpopular IF it comes with decent public transport + walkability + mixed use and such, like in europe. I HIGHLY doubt it is possible to do in the near term in the US.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago
High density living done in Europe is only a few cities and most of them aren't much of a step up. Realistically people would have to look at Tokyo-scale high density living as a starting point to tackle most complaints.
esel2k 4y ago
Why not? I ask this as european that lives in an appartement close to city center. We have about 32 families in the space where you have typically a big us house. And no I don’t live in poverty - 100sqm rooftop, own garage spot and really enjoy my 10min cycling time everywhere. I work daily with people from Boston. I think downtown is not that different in terms of willingness to have similar lifestyle. I think many don’t know how good density living means and it would be totally doable also in the US, not overnight. I guess there is still a big of a perception: Without your big house and garden your are nothing/« you didn’t make it » . Once this is gone I guess it could go fast.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  Stating your living conditions without naming rent/mortgage, income and location isn't very useful. Average Joe can't find a place in most cities, and educated, young Europeans are struggling to earn median while being pushed to work in the cities. European cities also aren't that dense, generally speaking. Building high is an exception and only pushed recently, in places with infrastructure already present.
  - yourusername 4y ago
    >European cities also aren't that dense, generally speaking. Building high is an exception and only pushed recently, in places with infrastructure already present. Buildings 5 stories high get similar or higher density than anything but the most extreme high rise neighbourhoods and are a better place to live. Easily get to 15k per km2 without highrises.
- Akronymus 4y ago
  Because the supporting structure isn't there in the US. Kinda a chicken and egg problem, cant squeeze more people in because parking but public transport isn't worth it for low density areas.
- dagw 4y ago
  100sqm rooftop, own garage spot and really enjoy my 10min cycling time everywhere. In many major European cities, a place like that will cost a lot more than nice house in the suburbs. In fact we ended up moving to a house in the suburbs in large part because because we could not afford an apartment like that.
  - esel2k 4y ago
    We rent - unable to buy such an apartment. But yeah it is not in a major EU city only smaller 200k inhabitants but international and well connected.
krageon 4y ago
Good examples of high-density living are not found within the EU. For this you should look at f.e. singapore.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago

High density living done in Europe is only a few cities and most of them aren't much of a step up. Realistically people would have to look at Tokyo-scale high density living as a starting point to tackle most complaints.

esel2k 4y ago

Why not? I ask this as european that lives in an appartement close to city center. We have about 32 families in the space where you have typically a big us house. And no I don’t live in poverty - 100sqm rooftop, own garage spot and really enjoy my 10min cycling time everywhere. I work daily with people from Boston. I think downtown is not that different in terms of willingness to have similar lifestyle. I think many don’t know how good density living means and it would be totally doable also in the US, not overnight. I guess there is still a big of a perception: Without your big house and garden your are nothing/« you didn’t make it » . Once this is gone I guess it could go fast.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago
Stating your living conditions without naming rent/mortgage, income and location isn't very useful. Average Joe can't find a place in most cities, and educated, young Europeans are struggling to earn median while being pushed to work in the cities. European cities also aren't that dense, generally speaking. Building high is an exception and only pushed recently, in places with infrastructure already present.
- yourusername 4y ago
  >European cities also aren't that dense, generally speaking. Building high is an exception and only pushed recently, in places with infrastructure already present. Buildings 5 stories high get similar or higher density than anything but the most extreme high rise neighbourhoods and are a better place to live. Easily get to 15k per km2 without highrises.
Akronymus 4y ago
Because the supporting structure isn't there in the US. Kinda a chicken and egg problem, cant squeeze more people in because parking but public transport isn't worth it for low density areas.
dagw 4y ago
100sqm rooftop, own garage spot and really enjoy my 10min cycling time everywhere. In many major European cities, a place like that will cost a lot more than nice house in the suburbs. In fact we ended up moving to a house in the suburbs in large part because because we could not afford an apartment like that.
- esel2k 4y ago
  We rent - unable to buy such an apartment. But yeah it is not in a major EU city only smaller 200k inhabitants but international and well connected.

krageon 4y ago

Good examples of high-density living are not found within the EU. For this you should look at f.e. singapore.