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Also known as the "cooking recipe on the internet effect", where all you really care about is the ingredients and assembly instructions, but you first have to g

by kleiba 4y ago

Also known as the "cooking recipe on the internet effect", where all you really care about is the ingredients and assembly instructions, but you first have to go throught pages and pages of text on how the author feels in the autumn when the sun hits the colorful leaves through the morning fog, creating this light and mysterious glitter that inspired her to create this recipe which, if we're honest, really is just the n-th variation of some well established dish that people have been making more or less like that for generations but which now has received so much more value by a proper classification into the author's internal system of emotions and motivations.

pluijzer 4y ago
Don't forget the obligatory google spam; Did you ever feel the urge to bake cookies but didn't know what ingredients you need to bake cookies? Even Aristoteles knew of some ingredients for baking cookies. Yes that is right baking cookies, or baking biscuits like the British would say has a long history. No need to go to the shop when you have the recipe for baking cookies.... etc. etc.
- LeifCarrotson 4y ago
  On the one hand, I love my "New Best Recipe" cookbook, that has several paragraphs on the particular variety, whether it should be crunchy or soft, regional variations, common errors and the types of flaws they cause, and the science/chemistry involved. I would much rather read a cookbook/recipe website with that information than without it. On the other hand, Google apparently can't distinguish between quality content and auto-generated SEO filler drivel. It has to be auto-generated, right? No one could write that stuff by hand...
fvold 4y ago
This is done for copyright reasons. You can't copyright the raw list of ingredients, as it is a factual statement with too little creative input (in the list, not the recipe itself!) to get copyright protection. To stop the recipe blog just being scraped by some recipe site and get zero visitors/impressions for themselves, they have these (at least) "minimally creative" intros that qualify for copyright. ...then the recipe sites just changed to extract the factual non-protected recipe from that, and the arms race escalates. "Whisk the eggs in with a feeling of freedom, and duty to the ancestors" - COPYRIGHT, BABY!
- kleiba 4y ago
  I doubt the connection between copyright and number of visitors/impressions. But of course it's clear that the intention is to provide some kind of "added value" by encapsulating the pure recipe in some narrative. It's just not what most people actually want.
- AnonCoward42 4y ago
  IANAL, but aren't recipes copyrightable in general? Let's say I use the exact recipe for Coca Cola, isn't that punishable as well, if I didn't change it at least slightly?
  - jsjohnst 4y ago
    > Let's say I use the exact recipe for Coca Cola Coca Cola recipe isn’t copyrighted or trademarked. They went the third route “trade secret” and interestingly enough, the exact recipe they use is still secret, despite all the years it’s existed. (Yes, some have approximated it though if memory serves)
    - jrootabega 4y ago
      I'm guessing that several have recreated the exact taste of Coke, but due to brand conditioning, the image of the can prevents your brain from experiencing it the same way. At this point, Coke probably doesn't care if someone recreates their taste or exact recipe. Their unique branding, and common belief that the recipe is a mystery, makes people experience the drinking of a Coke as unique. Funny enough, it's just like tickling. You have to know that it's Coke to taste Coke. Drinking another brand that tastes identical to Coke in blind tests is like tickling yourself.
      - jsjohnst 4y ago
        > Drinking another brand that tastes identical to Coke in blind tests is like tickling yourself. What other brand tastes like Coke? I guarantee I can blind taste identify most (all?) the common US brands of cola.
hebrox 4y ago
I just read an article about AI and ethics in a national newspaper. 90% was about the researcher and not about the research. I really dislike human interest stories when expecting some more depth.
9dev 4y ago
The same thing for me with YouTube videos. I don’t want to sit through 10 endless minutes of bullshit, self-promotion, and approximately 5931 cuts for that single answer to my question. Drives me insane that more and more content is provided as videos only, and all the inefficiency that must bring.
- chekibreki 4y ago
  Check the Sponsorblock extension for Firefox. It not only blocks sponsor segments but also has a „jump to highlight“ function which jumps directly to the answer of the (clickbait) video title.
  - soco 4y ago
    That, or simply avoid Youtube search results - like you surely already avoid Pinterest results.
    - BrandoElFollito 4y ago
      Youtube results sometimes make sense. I use them when looking at some electronics setups because it is easier to understand the visual part (locating the connector etc.) than to guess though a written description (the connector is the black square that is next to the ventilator). Sometimes it is useful for coding, where there is some refactoring done that helps you to understand the "why" of some changes. But it clearly depends on the video. Many have the 20 useful seconds burrien in 4 minutes of BS.
- busymom0 4y ago
  YouTube removing the dislike button counts has made that problem worse for me. Fortunately the chrome extension seems to have brought it back for now.
- sidewndr46 4y ago
  The rise of YouTube has certainly resulted in some simpler content becoming less usable. While installing a new thermostat, I googled "4 wire thermostat colors" a while back and got an onslaught of videos that were each several minutes in length. It's literally 4 pieces of information, that's it. It's made worse by Google promoting YouTube results, since it probably drives more ad revenue. On the other end of the spectrum, when I look for information about how to assemble a transmission (or similar) I instead find someone who has cut together some short video that doesn't actually contain good shots of the various assembly steps.
pixiemaster 4y ago
don’t get me started on recipes. internet recipes are designed to be below 40min, if you look at the instructions. but for certain steps, developing the actual flavor would need to be longer - but „customers“ don’t want recipes that take longer. so all produce a very limited taste range
- kadoban 4y ago
  Many of them just lie. For example all of the ones that pretend you can carmelize onions in 10 minutes.

by kleiba 4y ago

pluijzer 4y ago

Don't forget the obligatory google spam; Did you ever feel the urge to bake cookies but didn't know what ingredients you need to bake cookies? Even Aristoteles knew of some ingredients for baking cookies. Yes that is right baking cookies, or baking biscuits like the British would say has a long history. No need to go to the shop when you have the recipe for baking cookies.... etc. etc.

LeifCarrotson 4y ago
On the one hand, I love my "New Best Recipe" cookbook, that has several paragraphs on the particular variety, whether it should be crunchy or soft, regional variations, common errors and the types of flaws they cause, and the science/chemistry involved. I would much rather read a cookbook/recipe website with that information than without it. On the other hand, Google apparently can't distinguish between quality content and auto-generated SEO filler drivel. It has to be auto-generated, right? No one could write that stuff by hand...

fvold 4y ago

This is done for copyright reasons. You can't copyright the raw list of ingredients, as it is a factual statement with too little creative input (in the list, not the recipe itself!) to get copyright protection. To stop the recipe blog just being scraped by some recipe site and get zero visitors/impressions for themselves, they have these (at least) "minimally creative" intros that qualify for copyright. ...then the recipe sites just changed to extract the factual non-protected recipe from that, and the arms race escalates. "Whisk the eggs in with a feeling of freedom, and duty to the ancestors" - COPYRIGHT, BABY!

kleiba 4y ago
I doubt the connection between copyright and number of visitors/impressions. But of course it's clear that the intention is to provide some kind of "added value" by encapsulating the pure recipe in some narrative. It's just not what most people actually want.
AnonCoward42 4y ago
IANAL, but aren't recipes copyrightable in general? Let's say I use the exact recipe for Coca Cola, isn't that punishable as well, if I didn't change it at least slightly?
- jsjohnst 4y ago
  > Let's say I use the exact recipe for Coca Cola Coca Cola recipe isn’t copyrighted or trademarked. They went the third route “trade secret” and interestingly enough, the exact recipe they use is still secret, despite all the years it’s existed. (Yes, some have approximated it though if memory serves)
  - jrootabega 4y ago
    I'm guessing that several have recreated the exact taste of Coke, but due to brand conditioning, the image of the can prevents your brain from experiencing it the same way. At this point, Coke probably doesn't care if someone recreates their taste or exact recipe. Their unique branding, and common belief that the recipe is a mystery, makes people experience the drinking of a Coke as unique. Funny enough, it's just like tickling. You have to know that it's Coke to taste Coke. Drinking another brand that tastes identical to Coke in blind tests is like tickling yourself.
    - jsjohnst 4y ago
      > Drinking another brand that tastes identical to Coke in blind tests is like tickling yourself. What other brand tastes like Coke? I guarantee I can blind taste identify most (all?) the common US brands of cola.

hebrox 4y ago

I just read an article about AI and ethics in a national newspaper. 90% was about the researcher and not about the research. I really dislike human interest stories when expecting some more depth.

9dev 4y ago

The same thing for me with YouTube videos. I don’t want to sit through 10 endless minutes of bullshit, self-promotion, and approximately 5931 cuts for that single answer to my question. Drives me insane that more and more content is provided as videos only, and all the inefficiency that must bring.

chekibreki 4y ago
Check the Sponsorblock extension for Firefox. It not only blocks sponsor segments but also has a „jump to highlight“ function which jumps directly to the answer of the (clickbait) video title.
- soco 4y ago
  That, or simply avoid Youtube search results - like you surely already avoid Pinterest results.
  - BrandoElFollito 4y ago
    Youtube results sometimes make sense. I use them when looking at some electronics setups because it is easier to understand the visual part (locating the connector etc.) than to guess though a written description (the connector is the black square that is next to the ventilator). Sometimes it is useful for coding, where there is some refactoring done that helps you to understand the "why" of some changes. But it clearly depends on the video. Many have the 20 useful seconds burrien in 4 minutes of BS.
busymom0 4y ago
YouTube removing the dislike button counts has made that problem worse for me. Fortunately the chrome extension seems to have brought it back for now.
sidewndr46 4y ago
The rise of YouTube has certainly resulted in some simpler content becoming less usable. While installing a new thermostat, I googled "4 wire thermostat colors" a while back and got an onslaught of videos that were each several minutes in length. It's literally 4 pieces of information, that's it. It's made worse by Google promoting YouTube results, since it probably drives more ad revenue. On the other end of the spectrum, when I look for information about how to assemble a transmission (or similar) I instead find someone who has cut together some short video that doesn't actually contain good shots of the various assembly steps.

pixiemaster 4y ago

don’t get me started on recipes. internet recipes are designed to be below 40min, if you look at the instructions. but for certain steps, developing the actual flavor would need to be longer - but „customers“ don’t want recipes that take longer. so all produce a very limited taste range

kadoban 4y ago
Many of them just lie. For example all of the ones that pretend you can carmelize onions in 10 minutes.