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What is INDECT?

87 points by stfu 15y ago

stfu 15y ago
Unfortunately I couldn't find a better source in English. German Newspaper article: http://www.derwesten.de/politik/polen-plant-die-totale-ueberwachung-der-em-fans-id6130223.html http://www.derwesten.de/politik/polen-plant-die-totale-ueber... Wiki article on the project: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INDECT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INDECT Telegraph article on the project: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6210255/EU-funding-Orwellian-artificial-intelligence-plan-to-monitor-public-for-abnormal-behaviour.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6210255/EU-funding-Or...
- JonnieCache 15y ago
  Here's a presentation about it from Sylvia Johnigk at 27c3 last year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jerN8iSXCc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jerN8iSXCc One of the contractors on the project turns out to be in the audience and there is some heckling. It is interesting.
  - voyytek 15y ago
    Wow. I really tried to listen to her. Unbearable. Skip to 37:50. "the project is not planned/scheduled to be a real life product". Really, this is about money for the researchers. Real life projects like this? I guess goverments have been working on those for some time now.
- kahawe 15y ago
  German sources with further links and discussions: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wissen/europaeische-ueberwachungstechnologie-werkzeug-fuer-diktatoren-1.1223440 http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wissen/europaeische-ueberwachungs... http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Kritik-an-geplanter-Ueberwachung-von-EM-Zuschauern-1389708.html http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Kritik-an-geplanter-U... http://www.heise.de/tr/artikel/Fahndung-im-Datenraum-1074205.html http://www.heise.de/tr/artikel/Fahndung-im-Datenraum-1074205...
- nakkiel 15y ago
  http://www.indect-project.eu/approach-to-ethical-issues http://www.indect-project.eu/approach-to-ethical-issues
TeMPOraL 15y ago
Last time a polish newspaper featured an article about Indect, they wrote that Indect is going to infer your intentions from cameras before they even occur to you, and call the military for intervention (seriously!). There's a bit of minority-report-like fear in the news. EDIT: Source: http://www.polskatimes.pl/fakty/kraj/384367,inteligentny-system-bedzie-sledzil-przestepcow,id,t.html http://www.polskatimes.pl/fakty/kraj/384367,inteligentny-sys... One of the paragraph says about brain-wave reflection registered by computers that will be used to determine criminal intentions. And no, it doesn't seem to be intended to be a joke. God, I hate this kind of journalism.
- mbel 15y ago
  Wonder what's more absurd teleacquisition of EEG signal or ability to actually read any concrete information about thoughts from them. Nonetheless, it's rather sad, because the issue is rather serious and that's a rather serious newspaper, isn't it?
  - TeMPOraL 15y ago
    > Nonetheless, it's rather sad, because the issue is rather serious and that's a rather serious newspaper, isn't it? It is, or so I believed. I don't read or trust any newspaper anymore; given how usually even most serious news articles get debunked in comments 5 minutes after posting to HN I don't think I'm loosing much...
- pagekalisedown 15y ago
  That seems similar to what Keeneo ( http://www.keeneo.com/ http://www.keeneo.com/ ) has been doing for years. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee-D2-hx3so http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee-D2-hx3so
voyytek 15y ago
Please note: this is not some kind of high-level EU agenda. It is a project put together by a couple of research groups to grab money from EU research grants. My personal experience with those grants (with several 'partners') is that the results are reviewed by friends&family. Implement and deploy such a system in time for EURO 2012? Riiight. But I guess it looked good on the grant application.
spindritf 15y ago
Not just a test field, some of our best and brightest run the project -- it's coordinated by AGH: http://www.indect-project.eu/indect-partners http://www.indect-project.eu/indect-partners Neophytes are always the worst.
- jasiek 15y ago
  I wouldn't worry about it. Knowing how science funding works in Poland, this grant was appropriated in order to buy some new hardware or renovate an old elevator. :)
  - voyytek 15y ago
    Exactly. "We need a new camera-equipped elevator for the project".
jasiek 15y ago
Ha! I just found out a colleague of mine did his PhD on a part of this and describes it as 'completely harmless'. :>
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jwr 15y ago
The headline is sensational, but this is just Europe spending money on "valuable research".
ishi 15y ago
The page links to a Wikipedia entry that contradicts some of its claims. According to Wikipedia: "As it can be seen in the project's documentation, INDECT does not involve mobile phone tracking or call interception. The rumors about testing INDECT during 2012 UEFA European Football Championship also turned out to be false."
klausa 15y ago
Wow. I consider myself to be pretty well-informed both in privacy and general stuff happening in my country, but it's the first time I'm ever hearing about this.
hammock 15y ago
Sounds pretty cool to me. In my opinion, this is what good security forces ought to be doing today. Whether or not the government should be doing it in public places is one matter, but if I was the owner of, e.g. a football stadium or large building complex, this is exactly the type of resources I would want my security force to have access to.
Zak 15y ago
It would be amusing to know a bit about how such a system works and intentionally trigger responses from it. If enough people did that, it would become useless.
- kaybe 15y ago
  Never ever forget your luggage again! :D

87 points by stfu 15y ago

stfu 15y ago

Unfortunately I couldn't find a better source in English. German Newspaper article: http://www.derwesten.de/politik/polen-plant-die-totale-ueberwachung-der-em-fans-id6130223.html http://www.derwesten.de/politik/polen-plant-die-totale-ueber... Wiki article on the project: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INDECT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INDECT Telegraph article on the project: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6210255/EU-funding-Orwellian-artificial-intelligence-plan-to-monitor-public-for-abnormal-behaviour.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/6210255/EU-funding-Or...

JonnieCache 15y ago
Here's a presentation about it from Sylvia Johnigk at 27c3 last year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jerN8iSXCc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jerN8iSXCc One of the contractors on the project turns out to be in the audience and there is some heckling. It is interesting.
- voyytek 15y ago
  Wow. I really tried to listen to her. Unbearable. Skip to 37:50. "the project is not planned/scheduled to be a real life product". Really, this is about money for the researchers. Real life projects like this? I guess goverments have been working on those for some time now.
kahawe 15y ago
German sources with further links and discussions: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wissen/europaeische-ueberwachungstechnologie-werkzeug-fuer-diktatoren-1.1223440 http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wissen/europaeische-ueberwachungs... http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Kritik-an-geplanter-Ueberwachung-von-EM-Zuschauern-1389708.html http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Kritik-an-geplanter-U... http://www.heise.de/tr/artikel/Fahndung-im-Datenraum-1074205.html http://www.heise.de/tr/artikel/Fahndung-im-Datenraum-1074205...
nakkiel 15y ago
http://www.indect-project.eu/approach-to-ethical-issues http://www.indect-project.eu/approach-to-ethical-issues

TeMPOraL 15y ago

Last time a polish newspaper featured an article about Indect, they wrote that Indect is going to infer your intentions from cameras before they even occur to you, and call the military for intervention (seriously!). There's a bit of minority-report-like fear in the news. EDIT: Source: http://www.polskatimes.pl/fakty/kraj/384367,inteligentny-system-bedzie-sledzil-przestepcow,id,t.html http://www.polskatimes.pl/fakty/kraj/384367,inteligentny-sys... One of the paragraph says about brain-wave reflection registered by computers that will be used to determine criminal intentions. And no, it doesn't seem to be intended to be a joke. God, I hate this kind of journalism.

mbel 15y ago
Wonder what's more absurd teleacquisition of EEG signal or ability to actually read any concrete information about thoughts from them. Nonetheless, it's rather sad, because the issue is rather serious and that's a rather serious newspaper, isn't it?
- TeMPOraL 15y ago
  > Nonetheless, it's rather sad, because the issue is rather serious and that's a rather serious newspaper, isn't it? It is, or so I believed. I don't read or trust any newspaper anymore; given how usually even most serious news articles get debunked in comments 5 minutes after posting to HN I don't think I'm loosing much...
pagekalisedown 15y ago
That seems similar to what Keeneo ( http://www.keeneo.com/ http://www.keeneo.com/ ) has been doing for years. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee-D2-hx3so http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee-D2-hx3so

voyytek 15y ago

Please note: this is not some kind of high-level EU agenda. It is a project put together by a couple of research groups to grab money from EU research grants. My personal experience with those grants (with several 'partners') is that the results are reviewed by friends&family. Implement and deploy such a system in time for EURO 2012? Riiight. But I guess it looked good on the grant application.

spindritf 15y ago

Not just a test field, some of our best and brightest run the project -- it's coordinated by AGH: http://www.indect-project.eu/indect-partners http://www.indect-project.eu/indect-partners Neophytes are always the worst.

jasiek 15y ago
I wouldn't worry about it. Knowing how science funding works in Poland, this grant was appropriated in order to buy some new hardware or renovate an old elevator. :)
- voyytek 15y ago
  Exactly. "We need a new camera-equipped elevator for the project".

jasiek 15y ago

Ha! I just found out a colleague of mine did his PhD on a part of this and describes it as 'completely harmless'. :>

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jwr 15y ago

The headline is sensational, but this is just Europe spending money on "valuable research".

ishi 15y ago

The page links to a Wikipedia entry that contradicts some of its claims. According to Wikipedia: "As it can be seen in the project's documentation, INDECT does not involve mobile phone tracking or call interception. The rumors about testing INDECT during 2012 UEFA European Football Championship also turned out to be false."

klausa 15y ago

Wow. I consider myself to be pretty well-informed both in privacy and general stuff happening in my country, but it's the first time I'm ever hearing about this.

hammock 15y ago

Sounds pretty cool to me. In my opinion, this is what good security forces ought to be doing today. Whether or not the government should be doing it in public places is one matter, but if I was the owner of, e.g. a football stadium or large building complex, this is exactly the type of resources I would want my security force to have access to.

Zak 15y ago

It would be amusing to know a bit about how such a system works and intentionally trigger responses from it. If enough people did that, it would become useless.

kaybe 15y ago
Never ever forget your luggage again! :D