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Some depressed people will commit suicide, but the government should not facilitate this.
by Bostonian 4y ago
Some depressed people will commit suicide, but the government should not facilitate this.
- toomuchtodo 4y agoContradicts with freedom, free will, and bodily autonomy. People who want out should be allowed out under some circumstances. Two psychiatrists signed off in this case. How many would you need before stamping approval on someone’s wish to leave this plane of existence? Not a rhetorical question.
- rayiner 4y ago> Contradicts with freedom, free will, and bodily autonomy. Those are socially constructed concepts and society decides their metes and bounds.
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- toomuchtodo 4y agoIs your issue with Belgium (where this is legal, among other developed countries)? Or legal/government sanctioned euthanasia in general? Follow up question: thoughts on jurisdiction shopping for this when citizens can travel there from a country that doesn’t respect their rights domestically (a tale as old as time)?
- rayiner 4y agoBelgians can do what they want, I guess. But we can judge empirically whether their social beliefs are pro-adaptive or mal-adaptive. Belgians are being supplanted by Muslim immigrants who definitely do not think suicide is okay. It’s unsurprising that a culture that doesn’t value life for its own sake is being out-competed by one that does.
- 2ICofafireteam 4y agoI don't know but for the other end of it, where I am, stamping approval to detain someone and prevent them from completing suicide takes one person for 48 hours and two for longer.
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- throwaway29303 4y agoThe government (and society in general) should stay out of other people's business w.r.t. their autonomy in this matter. People should be free to decide if they want to end their lives with dignity.
- f1shy 4y agoI think gov. should have the least power possible in any matter related to health.
- 2ICofafireteam 4y agoEuthanasia laws take that power from governments. Most places have a blanket prohibition on assisted death, which seems more authoritarian to me.
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- Vt71fcAqt7 4y agoWhy/how is dignity a factor here?
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- hey2022 4y agoBecause in many countries you can’t commit suicide with your family sitting by your bed. They will be charged for that. A dignified assisted death means you end your life on your terms.
- brnt 4y agoAnybody anywhere can commit suicide with varying success and aftermath. Having a clean, sure to work, painless death if you wish it so is a huge improvement over those self made options.
- masklinn 4y agoDo you mean that only people sufficiently able bodied should have that option? And that they should traumatise their friends and / or family in the process because that is traditional?
- jmclnx 4y agoI am on the fence on this. At 23 with mental Illness and the drugs she was taking, I think a full review of her treatment is needed. This has a bit more detail and somekind of review was done. https://nypost.com/2022/10/08/brussels-bombing-survivor-shanti-de-corte-23-dead-by-euthanasia/ https://nypost.com/2022/10/08/brussels-bombing-survivor-shan... But I think all Doctors that treated her should be looked at in more detail.
- CharlesW 4y ago> Some depressed people will commit suicide, but the government should not facilitate this. Would you be okay with privately run Futurama-style street kiosks, though? https://futurama.fandom.com/wiki/Suicide_Booth https://futurama.fandom.com/wiki/Suicide_Booth
- MichaelCollins 4y agoAssuming an implied 'but private businesses should' is not charitable, not responding to the strongest plausible interpretation of what somebody is saying.
- hotpotamus 4y agoIt seems like a fair response to me. In the US you can walk into a store and buy a handgun and ammunition and walk out to kill yourself in your car if you'd like - it happens fairly regularly. Often it's described as an unavoidable consequence of freedom.
- SamReidHughes 4y agoIf somebody wants to buy a gun telling you he is going to use it on himself, you shouldn't sell it to him.
- hotpotamus 4y agoI assume someone buying a handgun above .22 caliber has intentions of harming someone with it. Obviously the context of their use matters, but they're inherently dangerous objects that Americans have the right to own. It doesn't seem feasible to stop someone who wants to use it as they would like.
- bitxbitxbitcoin 4y agoThat’s a pretty blanket assumption given the growing number of high caliber revolver hunters. Or the yearly amount of people that buy a handgun for bear protection for an Alaskan fishing trip. Going down that feasibility line of thought just leads to Minority Report. What you are describing is the new fear gun culture gripping America and it passes the buck in the wrong direction.
- hayst4ck 4y agoWhy?
- legulere 4y agoDepression can lead to irrational and rational suicide attempts. It's all fine when your depression can get treated. But when you have severe depression where all treatment fails, how is that different from other diseases that cause suffering that cannot be relieved?
- AstralStorm 4y agoThe thing about certain mental health issues is that they can get better with actual long term therapy. I do not believe this happened here, the girl was treated at most 6 years. Describing it as 6 years of anguish is uncharitable to people who survived mental health problems for decades, and even manage to live with them. It can take years to find out that a certain therapy even works... And here we have people hastily resorting to big red button, even after messing up previous suicide attempts. I would not call it euthanasia, it's suicide by doctor. (In parallel with suicide by cop.)
- justsomehnguy 4y agoIt's all good and whatever until you are the one to scrub brains from the rails.
- BrandoElFollito 4y agoSo I cannot manage my own life in a sensible way? If I want to end it, does it have to be messy (as in jumping in front of a train)? Or not well working (as in jumping from a window and ending up paralyzed - which indeed will stop me from further silly attempts)? The government has a duty to facilitate it.