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Wouldn't that depend on if there is a time limit? It seems under time constraints, a human grandmaster aided by a computer would do better than the computer alo

Wouldn't that depend on if there is a time limit? It seems under time constraints, a human grandmaster aided by a computer would do better than the computer alone, since the human can also use heuristics.

david422 4y ago
You'd probably just optimize the computer for heuristics then, and would be faster than the human.
oefrha 4y ago
AI uses heuristics just fine. You might have missed the decades of post-Deep Blue development. Check out DeepMind.
- pazimzadeh 4y ago
  Hm, ok what if we introduce time limits and also only allow the computer to use as much energy as the human brain does?
  - cayleyh 4y ago
    The results might surprise you: An new iPhone can run the latest chess engines at a level that should beat all but the absolute best players (https://www.hiarcs.com/iphone-chess.html https://www.hiarcs.com/iphone-chess.html). Apple doesn't publish power stats for their A-series chips that I could find, and I couldn't find a direct comparison of power draw running a chess engine, but Anandtec's numbers running synthetic benchmarks indicate between 3-5 watts when under single thread load: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16983/the-apple-a15-soc-performance-review-faster-more-efficient/2 https://www.anandtech.com/show/16983/the-apple-a15-soc-perfo.... Estimates for human brain energy consumption are vague, but generally accepted somewhere between 12-25 watts, with 20 being the most used average guess (https://www.quora.com/How-much-energy-does-a-human-brain-consume?share=1 https://www.quora.com/How-much-energy-does-a-human-brain-con..., https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/thinking-hard-calories/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/thinking-hard-cal..., https://www.munichre.com/topics-online/en/digitalisation/interview-henning-beck.html https://www.munichre.com/topics-online/en/digitalisation/int...) Given these numbers, not infeasible to assume that a computer restricted to the energy usage of the human brain would win every game when not playing Magnus?
dontreact 4y ago
I think stockfish with limited depth to compute every move in under .1 second would still be incredibly stronger than a human to the point where their involvement would produce worse moves.

david422 4y ago

You'd probably just optimize the computer for heuristics then, and would be faster than the human.

oefrha 4y ago

AI uses heuristics just fine. You might have missed the decades of post-Deep Blue development. Check out DeepMind.

pazimzadeh 4y ago
Hm, ok what if we introduce time limits and also only allow the computer to use as much energy as the human brain does?
- cayleyh 4y ago
  The results might surprise you: An new iPhone can run the latest chess engines at a level that should beat all but the absolute best players (https://www.hiarcs.com/iphone-chess.html https://www.hiarcs.com/iphone-chess.html). Apple doesn't publish power stats for their A-series chips that I could find, and I couldn't find a direct comparison of power draw running a chess engine, but Anandtec's numbers running synthetic benchmarks indicate between 3-5 watts when under single thread load: https://www.anandtech.com/show/16983/the-apple-a15-soc-performance-review-faster-more-efficient/2 https://www.anandtech.com/show/16983/the-apple-a15-soc-perfo.... Estimates for human brain energy consumption are vague, but generally accepted somewhere between 12-25 watts, with 20 being the most used average guess (https://www.quora.com/How-much-energy-does-a-human-brain-consume?share=1 https://www.quora.com/How-much-energy-does-a-human-brain-con..., https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/thinking-hard-calories/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/thinking-hard-cal..., https://www.munichre.com/topics-online/en/digitalisation/interview-henning-beck.html https://www.munichre.com/topics-online/en/digitalisation/int...) Given these numbers, not infeasible to assume that a computer restricted to the energy usage of the human brain would win every game when not playing Magnus?

dontreact 4y ago

I think stockfish with limited depth to compute every move in under .1 second would still be incredibly stronger than a human to the point where their involvement would produce worse moves.