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Maybe Zuck should put himself on PIP as it’s obvious he needs support. He had a money printing machine and managed to fuck it up.

jmathai 4y ago
I worked at Yahoo! when the company offered to acquire Facebook for $1.4 billion. Most thought Zuck was a fool to pass on that. He 300x’d it in 10 years.
- mhoad 4y ago
  And just think all it took was a couple of genocides, breaking society and becoming one of the most despised people in the world.
  - Jorengarenar 4y ago
    Genocides?
    - bagels 4y ago
      www.washingtonpost.com Facebook sued by Rohingya refugees for role in alleged Myanmar genocide
    - camillomiller 4y ago
      Yes genocides. Facebook played a pivotal role in the Rohingya genocide in Myanmar. They even admitted to that, but nobody gives a flying f.
      - eru 4y ago
        Snail mail played a vital role in the administrations of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. Is that different or comparable?
        analognoise 4y ago
        No that's different. What would be closer was IBM working with the Nazis: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
        Barrin92 4y ago
        It's different because nobody is in charge of snail mail which is merely a technology. Internet platforms have designs, incentives and people in charge for each aspect of their operation. They can chose what to amplify or not. It's been a convenient excuse of internet platforms to characterize themselves as generic technologies that nobody is responsible for or has ownership of, which isn't true. The equivalent to snail mail is something like https, smtp or ssl, not FB.
        eru 4y ago
        Snail mail is offered by specific companies or organisations. Eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Commissariat_for_Communications https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Commissariat_for_Co...
    - mhoad 4y ago
      1. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-faceb... 2. https://www.cfr.org/blog/facebooks-content-moderation-failures-ethiopia https://www.cfr.org/blog/facebooks-content-moderation-failur... 3. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-facebook-files-11631713039 https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-facebook-files-11631713039
  - hansworst 4y ago
    I’m not really sure if I agree with this argument against Facebook. It’s true that Facebook had a part in this, but the same can be said for any kind of media for any given historical conflict. Here’s an article describing the effect radio had on the rise of Hitler: https://daily.jstor.org/an-affordable-radio-brought-nazi-propaganda-home/ https://daily.jstor.org/an-affordable-radio-brought-nazi-pro... A few years before these genocides, western media were praising Facebook for its role in the uprisings in the Middle East. It was seen as a force for good, allowing people to self organise against dictatorial regimes. Hell, back in the day the printing press pretty much brought down all of the power structures at the time, because suddenly people had more free access to information.
    - mhoad 4y ago
      I think there are some pretty meaningful differences here where Facebook has been repeatedly made aware of these problems prior to the fact and has consistently responded in the exact same manner by refusing to take any meaningful action and only trying to solve things in so much as it is a PR problem for them. It wasn’t even indifference, they actively undercut and mislead all of the supposed checks and balances they assured everyone were enough both internally and externally. When confronted they have lied to their internal teams, they have lied to lawmakers, they have lied to investors. It is always the same response. There is no room left to leave this as a “mistake that fell through the cracks”. It’s a pattern of behaviour that now spans many years and many incidents. All it has shown is that they appear both incapable and unwilling of reform and should be treated as such.
  - hulitu 4y ago
    Yes, but evil people started cutting the internet and the show had to continue (more restricted) on other stages. They learned nothing from Cambridge Analityca scandal.
- gsatic 4y ago
  He is still a fool. He says he wakes up everyday felling like he is getting punched in the stomach. What more proof do you need?
  - solidasparagus 4y ago
    You don't have to like the man but, I think it's pretty clear that running any global social media company is miserable and filled with impossible decisions + people who will hate you no matter what choices you make. It sounds like many social media CEOs would agree that it's like getting punched in the stomach every day
    - TomSwirly 4y ago
      Oh, the poor, poor guy. /sarcasm He's had every chance to be a decent human being and he has rejected it. Facebook has been a force for tremendous evil in the world, and now he's trying to push this bullshit proprietary metaverse crap on us, just because. People hate him for who he is. He feels bad, and then continues doing the things that make us hate him, and that makes it worse.
      - raspberry1337 4y ago
        >People hate him for who he is. He feels bad, and then continues doing the things that make us hate him, You truly hate Mark Zuckerberg huh, you must live a great life
    - blitzar 4y ago
      I am worth 1/billion of his net worth and every morning when I wake up I feel like I am getting punched in the stomach.
      - bryanrasmussen 4y ago
        I wish this giant boot grinding me down into nothingness would allow me to stand up enough to get punched in the stomach for a bit.
- noncoml 4y ago
  PIP is based on current performance. Not past.
rapsey 4y ago
It is still printing money though.
- matwood 4y ago
  Yep. FB has issues, but people are dancing on its grave a little too early.
paganel 4y ago
He's too busy attending private gladiator-like fights (which the article mentions, btw). I know the FB pay is pretty damn good, but I guess it still sucks to see your CEO doing that while your job with the company might be on the line.

jmathai 4y ago

I worked at Yahoo! when the company offered to acquire Facebook for $1.4 billion. Most thought Zuck was a fool to pass on that. He 300x’d it in 10 years.

mhoad 4y ago
And just think all it took was a couple of genocides, breaking society and becoming one of the most despised people in the world.
- Jorengarenar 4y ago
  Genocides?
  - bagels 4y ago
    www.washingtonpost.com Facebook sued by Rohingya refugees for role in alleged Myanmar genocide
  - camillomiller 4y ago
    Yes genocides. Facebook played a pivotal role in the Rohingya genocide in Myanmar. They even admitted to that, but nobody gives a flying f.
    - eru 4y ago
      Snail mail played a vital role in the administrations of Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia. Is that different or comparable?
      - analognoise 4y ago
        No that's different. What would be closer was IBM working with the Nazis: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust
      - Barrin92 4y ago
        It's different because nobody is in charge of snail mail which is merely a technology. Internet platforms have designs, incentives and people in charge for each aspect of their operation. They can chose what to amplify or not. It's been a convenient excuse of internet platforms to characterize themselves as generic technologies that nobody is responsible for or has ownership of, which isn't true. The equivalent to snail mail is something like https, smtp or ssl, not FB.
        eru 4y ago
        Snail mail is offered by specific companies or organisations. Eg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Commissariat_for_Communications https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Commissariat_for_Co...
  - mhoad 4y ago
    1. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-faceb... 2. https://www.cfr.org/blog/facebooks-content-moderation-failures-ethiopia https://www.cfr.org/blog/facebooks-content-moderation-failur... 3. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-facebook-files-11631713039 https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-facebook-files-11631713039
- hansworst 4y ago
  I’m not really sure if I agree with this argument against Facebook. It’s true that Facebook had a part in this, but the same can be said for any kind of media for any given historical conflict. Here’s an article describing the effect radio had on the rise of Hitler: https://daily.jstor.org/an-affordable-radio-brought-nazi-propaganda-home/ https://daily.jstor.org/an-affordable-radio-brought-nazi-pro... A few years before these genocides, western media were praising Facebook for its role in the uprisings in the Middle East. It was seen as a force for good, allowing people to self organise against dictatorial regimes. Hell, back in the day the printing press pretty much brought down all of the power structures at the time, because suddenly people had more free access to information.
  - mhoad 4y ago
    I think there are some pretty meaningful differences here where Facebook has been repeatedly made aware of these problems prior to the fact and has consistently responded in the exact same manner by refusing to take any meaningful action and only trying to solve things in so much as it is a PR problem for them. It wasn’t even indifference, they actively undercut and mislead all of the supposed checks and balances they assured everyone were enough both internally and externally. When confronted they have lied to their internal teams, they have lied to lawmakers, they have lied to investors. It is always the same response. There is no room left to leave this as a “mistake that fell through the cracks”. It’s a pattern of behaviour that now spans many years and many incidents. All it has shown is that they appear both incapable and unwilling of reform and should be treated as such.
- hulitu 4y ago
  Yes, but evil people started cutting the internet and the show had to continue (more restricted) on other stages. They learned nothing from Cambridge Analityca scandal.
gsatic 4y ago
He is still a fool. He says he wakes up everyday felling like he is getting punched in the stomach. What more proof do you need?
- solidasparagus 4y ago
  You don't have to like the man but, I think it's pretty clear that running any global social media company is miserable and filled with impossible decisions + people who will hate you no matter what choices you make. It sounds like many social media CEOs would agree that it's like getting punched in the stomach every day
  - TomSwirly 4y ago
    Oh, the poor, poor guy. /sarcasm He's had every chance to be a decent human being and he has rejected it. Facebook has been a force for tremendous evil in the world, and now he's trying to push this bullshit proprietary metaverse crap on us, just because. People hate him for who he is. He feels bad, and then continues doing the things that make us hate him, and that makes it worse.
    - raspberry1337 4y ago
      >People hate him for who he is. He feels bad, and then continues doing the things that make us hate him, You truly hate Mark Zuckerberg huh, you must live a great life
  - blitzar 4y ago
    I am worth 1/billion of his net worth and every morning when I wake up I feel like I am getting punched in the stomach.
    - bryanrasmussen 4y ago
      I wish this giant boot grinding me down into nothingness would allow me to stand up enough to get punched in the stomach for a bit.
noncoml 4y ago
PIP is based on current performance. Not past.

rapsey 4y ago

It is still printing money though.

matwood 4y ago
Yep. FB has issues, but people are dancing on its grave a little too early.

paganel 4y ago

He's too busy attending private gladiator-like fights (which the article mentions, btw). I know the FB pay is pretty damn good, but I guess it still sucks to see your CEO doing that while your job with the company might be on the line.