3 ms·

In a way, I understand Merkel: she must have seen Putin is a scoundrel but choose the policy of trying to domesticate him by keeping civilized business relation

In a way, I understand Merkel: she must have seen Putin is a scoundrel but choose the policy of trying to domesticate him by keeping civilized business relations with him. Unfortunately, she lacked imagination. In XXI century, it is more inexcusable than ever.

nly 4y ago
That's fine, but at the same time you need to build up your backup strategy. That's the problem in general in our modern economy. No reserves, no resilience, no backup plan
- radpanda 4y ago
  Two countries that both have McDonalds would never go to war with each other though. I mean, except for all of the times they have. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lexus_and_the_Olive_Tree#Golden_Arches_theory https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lexus_and_the_Olive_Tree...
  - durnygbur 4y ago
    Let me correct this brilliant socio-economic hypothesis: "two countries that both have American food and drink franchises they're all fat and physically incapable".
ChuckNorris89 4y ago
So Putin invaded a foreign country and seized their land and you think Merkel's decision of keep doing business with Putin was somehow domesticating him? It's precisely that lack of action that proved to Putin that out leaders are spineless addicts to his cheap gas and he can play them like a fiddle. Also, let's not forget the lucrative positions Gerhard Schröder got at Russian energy companies in exchange for his "help" in getting Germany hooked on Russian gas.
- hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
  That's my point: not only it didn't work, but her lack of imagination left us all on the cold.
- fredestine 4y ago
  since when russia was an enemy of europe? historically they are the one who beat the nazis. if you refer to 2014 it is europe and us that also pushed russia to come into ukraine. everything would have been avoidable if we gave putin some warranty of not meddling with ukraine, putting corrupt people in a non elected government. and Im not saying that what is happening know is right. A russian invasion of ukraine is wrong. but that was definitely something USA actions in Ukraine expected long before 2014
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    >since when russia was an enemy of europe? Ask the Eastern European countries who've had to suffer 50 years of communist atrocities thanks to WW2 invasion of their countries by Russia and the USSR.
    - fredestine 4y ago
      USSR not russia. it collapsed. are you still upset about ottoman empire? nazi germany? the first world war aftermath should have taught us something.
      - netsharc 4y ago
        Ha, you're saying this after you said (not exact words) "Look who beat the Nazis in 1945!"? So which is it, do you want to consider the group of people occupying the land 80 years ago same as the present people, or different?
        fredestine 4y ago
        America dropped 2 atomic bombs on live civilians and now they fear mongering the world into a new nuclear war. I think this beats everything and every argument for giving them the keys to owning the "peace of the world" but somehow you seem to hate russia more than facts.
Bork_Bork 4y ago
Merkel is a "former" Stasi and what do think Scholz is? Deutschland is just yet another rusky oblast, end of story. Actually no, the EU is just the 4th Reich aka DDR aka rusky oblast therefore.
- hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
  Let's not exaggerate. Germany needs energy, so Scholz strategy is to minimize the losses. He is also sending weapons to Ukraine, just not bragging about like other countries. The spirit of the "German fault" is still present in Germany and there is a strong disincentive for engaging in any kind of armed conflict. Nevertheless, I believe Germans as a whole realize how mistaken the overall policy of their government is and exercise some pressure to change that. Not shutting down nuclear reactors would be a good first step that would benefit the whole EU, not just Germany.
durnygbur 4y ago
> trying to domesticate him by keeping civilized business relations with him. This was the theory sold by German elites to the populace over obnoxiously overfunded German public media.

nly 4y ago

That's fine, but at the same time you need to build up your backup strategy. That's the problem in general in our modern economy. No reserves, no resilience, no backup plan

radpanda 4y ago
Two countries that both have McDonalds would never go to war with each other though. I mean, except for all of the times they have. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lexus_and_the_Olive_Tree#Golden_Arches_theory https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lexus_and_the_Olive_Tree...
- durnygbur 4y ago
  Let me correct this brilliant socio-economic hypothesis: "two countries that both have American food and drink franchises they're all fat and physically incapable".

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

So Putin invaded a foreign country and seized their land and you think Merkel's decision of keep doing business with Putin was somehow domesticating him? It's precisely that lack of action that proved to Putin that out leaders are spineless addicts to his cheap gas and he can play them like a fiddle. Also, let's not forget the lucrative positions Gerhard Schröder got at Russian energy companies in exchange for his "help" in getting Germany hooked on Russian gas.

hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
That's my point: not only it didn't work, but her lack of imagination left us all on the cold.
fredestine 4y ago
since when russia was an enemy of europe? historically they are the one who beat the nazis. if you refer to 2014 it is europe and us that also pushed russia to come into ukraine. everything would have been avoidable if we gave putin some warranty of not meddling with ukraine, putting corrupt people in a non elected government. and Im not saying that what is happening know is right. A russian invasion of ukraine is wrong. but that was definitely something USA actions in Ukraine expected long before 2014
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >since when russia was an enemy of europe? Ask the Eastern European countries who've had to suffer 50 years of communist atrocities thanks to WW2 invasion of their countries by Russia and the USSR.
  - fredestine 4y ago
    USSR not russia. it collapsed. are you still upset about ottoman empire? nazi germany? the first world war aftermath should have taught us something.
    - netsharc 4y ago
      Ha, you're saying this after you said (not exact words) "Look who beat the Nazis in 1945!"? So which is it, do you want to consider the group of people occupying the land 80 years ago same as the present people, or different?
      - fredestine 4y ago
        America dropped 2 atomic bombs on live civilians and now they fear mongering the world into a new nuclear war. I think this beats everything and every argument for giving them the keys to owning the "peace of the world" but somehow you seem to hate russia more than facts.

Bork_Bork 4y ago

Merkel is a "former" Stasi and what do think Scholz is? Deutschland is just yet another rusky oblast, end of story. Actually no, the EU is just the 4th Reich aka DDR aka rusky oblast therefore.

hdjjhhvvhga 4y ago
Let's not exaggerate. Germany needs energy, so Scholz strategy is to minimize the losses. He is also sending weapons to Ukraine, just not bragging about like other countries. The spirit of the "German fault" is still present in Germany and there is a strong disincentive for engaging in any kind of armed conflict. Nevertheless, I believe Germans as a whole realize how mistaken the overall policy of their government is and exercise some pressure to change that. Not shutting down nuclear reactors would be a good first step that would benefit the whole EU, not just Germany.

durnygbur 4y ago

> trying to domesticate him by keeping civilized business relations with him. This was the theory sold by German elites to the populace over obnoxiously overfunded German public media.