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I found it difficult to get a good affordable (< $100/cam) camera with ethernet+poe and cloud/live streaming.

by _8j50 4y ago

walterbell 4y ago
DIY option, https://www.instructables.com/DIY-Professional-Open-Source-Night-Vision-Security/ https://www.instructables.com/DIY-Professional-Open-Source-N... eBay sometimes has older Axis (enterprise) PoE cameras, but those no longer get firmware updates. Axis P1204 has a camera sensor that can be separated from the camera by 25 feet, https://www.networkcamerastore.com/axis-p1204-0531-001-miniature-hdtv-pinhole-network-camera/ https://www.networkcamerastore.com/axis-p1204-0531-001-minia.... Would be nice to accomplish the same with a Linux SBC (RPi, ODROID, Rock64), where MIPI camera cables are usually limited to cm, not meters.
- jamesy0ung 4y ago
  The PoE reciever implementation used in that article looks a little bit more than dodgy. The official PoE hat would be better.
  - walterbell 4y ago
    Yeah, it's more of a starting point for your own design, especially with the unavailability of RPi. This ESP32 board has Ethernet and battery charger, https://www.olimex.com/Products/IoT/ESP32/ESP32-EVB/open-source-hardware https://www.olimex.com/Products/IoT/ESP32/ESP32-EVB/open-sou...
- _8j50 4y ago
  I am sure I can DIY it or hack something I just don't want to, I want cameras for monitoring for practical reasons not because I have an interest in playing with them.
  - walterbell 4y ago
    As long as the camera vendor isn't facilitating monitoring by others.. Axis sells to enterprise customers, so their PoE cameras have known properties.
helloworld97 4y ago
This is the only one I could find - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B095XD17K5/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B095XD17K5/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b... Continuous recording and decent resolution = $15/month. Pricey, but it is what it is.
sirmoveon 4y ago
The market is plagued with eth+poe cameras under $100. For live streaming you'd need to configure your network and probably some apps might offer cloud service. Maybe, even the same maker's app have cloud services. Check: Reolink, amcrest, zosi, dahua... It's definitely a rabbit's hole digging into these stuff. Expect to dedicate long hours of research and setup, due to the multiple options there are, brands/models/cameras/technologies. Making your own camera, as suggested by other person, at this point is pointless.
- walterbell 4y ago
  > The market is plagued with eth+poe cameras under $100. Any of those with non-Chinese firmware, or rootable for replacement with open-source firmware? > Making your own camera, as suggested by other person, at this point is pointless Unless you want control of the software on the camera, sometimes of interest to hackers who read news.
  - sirmoveon 4y ago
    A hacker would isolate from the internet a cameras VLAN and run its own NVR software. At this point, the market has an abundance of good-enough options for cameras. The fight is in other areas, not the cameras as a device.
    - walterbell 4y ago
      There are many different use cases and threat models, some of which do not permit random unmaintained Chinese-origin firmware to be present on local networks, VLAN network isolation claims not withstanding. Open firmware for some camera SoCs (HiSilicon, Goke, Ingenic): https://openipc.org/ https://openipc.org/
      - sirmoveon 4y ago
        I'm with you in considering any software in the cameras as a threat, that's why you keep the cameras isolate from the internet. I've audited a few cheap chinese ones and they were indeed filled with vulnerabilities and unknown services running in high ports. The idea that you can't effectively isolate them network wise is just a stretch.

I found it difficult to get a good affordable (< $100/cam) camera with ethernet+poe and cloud/live streaming.

by _8j50 4y ago

I found it difficult to get a good affordable (< $100/cam) camera with ethernet+poe and cloud/live streaming.

DIY option, https://www.instructables.com/DIY-Professional-Open-Source-Night-Vision-Security/ https://www.instructables.com/DIY-Professional-Open-Source-N... eBay sometimes has older Axis (enterprise) PoE cameras, but those no longer get firmware updates. Axis P1204 has a camera sensor that can be separated from the camera by 25 feet, https://www.networkcamerastore.com/axis-p1204-0531-001-miniature-hdtv-pinhole-network-camera/ https://www.networkcamerastore.com/axis-p1204-0531-001-minia.... Would be nice to accomplish the same with a Linux SBC (RPi, ODROID, Rock64), where MIPI camera cables are usually limited to cm, not meters.

jamesy0ung 4y ago
The PoE reciever implementation used in that article looks a little bit more than dodgy. The official PoE hat would be better.
- walterbell 4y ago
  Yeah, it's more of a starting point for your own design, especially with the unavailability of RPi. This ESP32 board has Ethernet and battery charger, https://www.olimex.com/Products/IoT/ESP32/ESP32-EVB/open-source-hardware https://www.olimex.com/Products/IoT/ESP32/ESP32-EVB/open-sou...
_8j50 4y ago
I am sure I can DIY it or hack something I just don't want to, I want cameras for monitoring for practical reasons not because I have an interest in playing with them.
- walterbell 4y ago
  As long as the camera vendor isn't facilitating monitoring by others.. Axis sells to enterprise customers, so their PoE cameras have known properties.

helloworld97 4y ago

This is the only one I could find - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B095XD17K5/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B095XD17K5/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b... Continuous recording and decent resolution = $15/month. Pricey, but it is what it is.

sirmoveon 4y ago

The market is plagued with eth+poe cameras under $100. For live streaming you'd need to configure your network and probably some apps might offer cloud service. Maybe, even the same maker's app have cloud services. Check: Reolink, amcrest, zosi, dahua... It's definitely a rabbit's hole digging into these stuff. Expect to dedicate long hours of research and setup, due to the multiple options there are, brands/models/cameras/technologies. Making your own camera, as suggested by other person, at this point is pointless.

walterbell 4y ago
> The market is plagued with eth+poe cameras under $100. Any of those with non-Chinese firmware, or rootable for replacement with open-source firmware? > Making your own camera, as suggested by other person, at this point is pointless Unless you want control of the software on the camera, sometimes of interest to hackers who read news.
- sirmoveon 4y ago
  A hacker would isolate from the internet a cameras VLAN and run its own NVR software. At this point, the market has an abundance of good-enough options for cameras. The fight is in other areas, not the cameras as a device.
  - walterbell 4y ago
    There are many different use cases and threat models, some of which do not permit random unmaintained Chinese-origin firmware to be present on local networks, VLAN network isolation claims not withstanding. Open firmware for some camera SoCs (HiSilicon, Goke, Ingenic): https://openipc.org/ https://openipc.org/
    - sirmoveon 4y ago
      I'm with you in considering any software in the cameras as a threat, that's why you keep the cameras isolate from the internet. I've audited a few cheap chinese ones and they were indeed filled with vulnerabilities and unknown services running in high ports. The idea that you can't effectively isolate them network wise is just a stretch.