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Time to start prorating individual officer's salary for the % of their shift time that has extant video footage? These body cams are useless if the video can g

by Arrath 4y ago

Time to start prorating individual officer's salary for the % of their shift time that has extant video footage? These body cams are useless if the video can go conveniently missing whenever it needs to.

hanniabu 4y ago
Won't change a thing, they'd happily be paid 8hrs less if it means not going to jail
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  It would have the same effect as this early american law: > There was little doubt that fence cutting would be criminalized, but what was to be done about ranchers who were fencing over public roads and lands? Here the Texas Legislature stood with the rich, making fence cutting a felony punishable by two to five years in prison, while for the cattle barons who encroached on public land, the punishment was a misdemeanor and a small fine of $10 to $100. ie levying a slight tax to enable it rampantly through surface-level law and order
edgyquant 4y ago
Nope time to throw cops and their supervisors in jail who lose or forget to record footage
- rightbyte 4y ago
  Fun times when your body cam breaks. Just upload the video automatically to some central server. Then the corruption on police station level can't get to it. You could do the upload via mobile network if a "bang" is heard too.
noboostforyou 4y ago
Get rid of Qualified Immunity for starters. Next should be some sort of malpractice insurance that police must carry themselves (none of this using our tax dollars to pay for their own crimes).
- rootusrootus 4y ago
  Although it gets misused, there is a very good reason for qualified immunity. Get rid of it and nobody will ever become a cop. And even if you could find people, you'd have to pay a pretty ridiculous salary, especially with an insurance requirement. Better to reform the official checks & balances on police power so they are more effective.
  - ROTMetro 4y ago
    Checks and balances don't work. Just look at the whole student debt issue. Someone sued and the Biden administration changed the rule so that the person suing no longer had standing, taking away access to the courts. Trying to sue the government from inside the prison system is just naive. And even when it works, it doesn't work. We sued because we were housed in inhuman conditions. Because only inmates in one wing of the prison sued, the ruling only applied to inmates housed in that wing, even though the rest of the prison was exactly the same as what the Court had just ruled inhumane and unconstitutional. Qualified immunity is a made up right by the courts (it doesn't exist in law) and places SOME animals above other animals when it comes to accountability. I thought we were all equal? All Americans should be responsible for their actions, government employees > accountability simply because they have a special 'job' should not be a thing.
    - joshuamorton 4y ago
      > Checks and balances don't work. Just look at the whole student debt issue. Someone sued and the Biden administration changed the rule so that the person suing no longer had standing, taking away access to the courts. This is because the standing they had was tenuous to begin with, his claim was that the issue was he'd be taxed on the 20K in cancelled debt and couldn't opt out. So it was clarified that he could, and suddenly he is no longer harmed. You don't have standing to sue if you aren't harmed. Student loan companies have a somewhat less tenuous argument, but the real issue is that Biden's actions were probably legal, and checks and balances don't exist to prevent the government from doing legal things.
  - tastyfreeze 4y ago
bee_rider 4y ago
Judges should start instructing juries make an adverse inference against the police, if bodycam footage is missing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_inference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_inference
- hutzlibu 4y ago
  Yes and they likely will - but only in jurisdictions, where bodycams are mandatory to be always on.
Tangurena2 4y ago
Losing insurance is making a number of police departments actually make changes: > Even departments with few problems are experiencing rate increases of 30 to 100 percent. Now, insurers also are telling departments that they must change the way they police. https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2022/police-misconduct-insurance-settlements-reform/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/20...
- midoridensha 4y ago
  It's pretty bad when you have to rely on greedy capitalists and not public servants for positive change.
  - zhengyi13 4y ago
    Hey look, the market fixes everything! (/s)
orwin 4y ago
One thing i absolutely love and that police officers were not always aware off, is that initially their bodycam were always recording, and keeping the video they just recorded in a buffer (sadly, not often with audio). The buffer can change, but is a minimum of 30 second to up to 15 minutes, and some cops were busted by that. Now more often than not the configuration is 30s, so tape goes missing at a lower rate. I think their is another kind, used more in cities, with bodycam uploading the video directly, with 3 modes (low-res, lowframe, low-res, normal framerate + audio, and high res high framerate).
dirkg 4y ago
Theres no way any police reform will hapen as long as we have unions and qualified immunity

by Arrath 4y ago

hanniabu 4y ago

Won't change a thing, they'd happily be paid 8hrs less if it means not going to jail

wahnfrieden 4y ago
It would have the same effect as this early american law: > There was little doubt that fence cutting would be criminalized, but what was to be done about ranchers who were fencing over public roads and lands? Here the Texas Legislature stood with the rich, making fence cutting a felony punishable by two to five years in prison, while for the cattle barons who encroached on public land, the punishment was a misdemeanor and a small fine of $10 to $100. ie levying a slight tax to enable it rampantly through surface-level law and order

edgyquant 4y ago

Nope time to throw cops and their supervisors in jail who lose or forget to record footage

rightbyte 4y ago
Fun times when your body cam breaks. Just upload the video automatically to some central server. Then the corruption on police station level can't get to it. You could do the upload via mobile network if a "bang" is heard too.

noboostforyou 4y ago

Get rid of Qualified Immunity for starters. Next should be some sort of malpractice insurance that police must carry themselves (none of this using our tax dollars to pay for their own crimes).

rootusrootus 4y ago
Although it gets misused, there is a very good reason for qualified immunity. Get rid of it and nobody will ever become a cop. And even if you could find people, you'd have to pay a pretty ridiculous salary, especially with an insurance requirement. Better to reform the official checks & balances on police power so they are more effective.
- ROTMetro 4y ago
  Checks and balances don't work. Just look at the whole student debt issue. Someone sued and the Biden administration changed the rule so that the person suing no longer had standing, taking away access to the courts. Trying to sue the government from inside the prison system is just naive. And even when it works, it doesn't work. We sued because we were housed in inhuman conditions. Because only inmates in one wing of the prison sued, the ruling only applied to inmates housed in that wing, even though the rest of the prison was exactly the same as what the Court had just ruled inhumane and unconstitutional. Qualified immunity is a made up right by the courts (it doesn't exist in law) and places SOME animals above other animals when it comes to accountability. I thought we were all equal? All Americans should be responsible for their actions, government employees > accountability simply because they have a special 'job' should not be a thing.
  - joshuamorton 4y ago
    > Checks and balances don't work. Just look at the whole student debt issue. Someone sued and the Biden administration changed the rule so that the person suing no longer had standing, taking away access to the courts. This is because the standing they had was tenuous to begin with, his claim was that the issue was he'd be taxed on the 20K in cancelled debt and couldn't opt out. So it was clarified that he could, and suddenly he is no longer harmed. You don't have standing to sue if you aren't harmed. Student loan companies have a somewhat less tenuous argument, but the real issue is that Biden's actions were probably legal, and checks and balances don't exist to prevent the government from doing legal things.
- tastyfreeze 4y ago

bee_rider 4y ago

Judges should start instructing juries make an adverse inference against the police, if bodycam footage is missing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_inference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_inference

hutzlibu 4y ago
Yes and they likely will - but only in jurisdictions, where bodycams are mandatory to be always on.

Tangurena2 4y ago

Losing insurance is making a number of police departments actually make changes: > Even departments with few problems are experiencing rate increases of 30 to 100 percent. Now, insurers also are telling departments that they must change the way they police. https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2022/police-misconduct-insurance-settlements-reform/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/20...

midoridensha 4y ago
It's pretty bad when you have to rely on greedy capitalists and not public servants for positive change.
- zhengyi13 4y ago
  Hey look, the market fixes everything! (/s)

orwin 4y ago

One thing i absolutely love and that police officers were not always aware off, is that initially their bodycam were always recording, and keeping the video they just recorded in a buffer (sadly, not often with audio). The buffer can change, but is a minimum of 30 second to up to 15 minutes, and some cops were busted by that. Now more often than not the configuration is 30s, so tape goes missing at a lower rate. I think their is another kind, used more in cities, with bodycam uploading the video directly, with 3 modes (low-res, lowframe, low-res, normal framerate + audio, and high res high framerate).

dirkg 4y ago

Theres no way any police reform will hapen as long as we have unions and qualified immunity