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Nothing the LAPD does shocks me anymore. They've normalized their awful behavior as the norm

by alx__ 4y ago

notch656a 4y ago
Remember when they were looking for Dorner and they just started shooting up pickup trucks that vaguely looked like Dorner's? "At about 5:30 am (PST), at least seven[98] LAPD officers on a protection detail of an unnamed LAPD official's residence in the 19500 block of Redbeam Street[99] in the Los Angeles County city of Torrance opened fire on the back of a light blue Toyota Tacoma and shot its two occupants, Emma Hernandez, 71, and her daughter, Margie Carranza, 47,[98][100] delivering newspapers for the Los Angeles Times.[10][101] The vehicle, according to officers, was spotted exiting a freeway and heading to the area of the residence that officers were protecting, was thought by police to match the description of Dorner's 2005 gray Nissan Titan and was moving without its headlights on.[97][102] Hernandez was shot in the back and Carranza received wounds to her hand. Their attorney claimed police "had no idea who was in that vehicle" when they opened fire, and that nothing about his clients or their vehicle matched the descriptions given of the suspect or his truck.[103] The two women stated that they were given no warning prior to being fired upon.[104]" -- wiki LAPD will happily attempt to kill anyone vaguely matching the description of someone they have beef with.
- scottyah 4y ago
  They fired 107 shots, some of which made it into my old teachers’ house. Completely wild that none were charged as those actions were actually worse than a gang related drive by.
  - Alupis 4y ago
    > They fired 107 shots I don't know anything about this incident, and will not comment on such. I just wanted to point out the number of shots fired here from 7+ individuals is not unusual in the slightest, and is not an argument point that should be used to convince anyone of anything. Too often uninformed folks throw around the number of shots fired as-if it means incompetence/maleficence/or worse. It rarely if ever does. EDIT: Allow me to add an edit here since no one seems capable of understanding the nuance in my original post above. DO NOT Use round count as an indicator of anything, or as a cornerstone for an argument. You will be trying to imply something that is just flatly wrong, and it will reduce your argument to being an uninformed person. DO Focus on the facts of the events and ensure outrage is placed where it should be. Round count is not it. With that said - allow me to further clarify my original disclaimer. Should the events of that day taken place? From my uninformed opinion (having only read the above quote) - no, they should not have. In summary, don't quote round counts like it means something. It doesn't, and it only serves to make you look uninformed.
    - evan_ 4y ago
      > the number of shots fired here from 7+ individuals is not unusual in the slightest what's the normal number of shots one should expect to be fired at a completely uninvolved party for no reason by 7+ police officers? I've got a number in my head.
      - Alupis 4y ago
        I should have been prepared for the pushback I suppose. No, 107 shots is not unusual. The events under-which these shots were fired was unusual, but 107 shots being fired from 7+ individuals is not unusual. Averaging about 15 rounds per individual (if only 7 were present, the quote says at least 7), this "firefight" (I realize there was no return fire, just using generally accepted terms) was over in seconds. Anyone with any iota of firearms training can attest to this. If I had to guess, one individual initiated fire (jumpy, poor training, thought they saw something, who knows), and then the rest fell back into their training and opened fire as well. That is exactly how it is supposed to work, and not just for LE. In all firearms training - be it military, law enforcement, and even civilian - you are trained to fire until you are certain there is no more threat. This isn't the movies, you don't "just shoot them in the leg" or whatever uninformed slogan is popular these days. As I previously made a disclosure that I was not commenting on the events themselves, only the specific comment that sought to use the round count as some sort of outrage data point.
        evan_ 4y ago
        > I realize there was no return fire > the rest fell back into their training and opened fire > That is exactly how it is supposed to work > you are trained to fire until you are certain there is no more threat This is very unusual! I don't give a single shit that they were trained to do it! If the training is to just start shooting and let God sort it out- THAT'S BAD! I find it very unusual that you can just randomly be annihilated by a death squad while driving to work!
        Alupis 4y ago
        So we agree the events were unusual? Good because that's been my disclaimer all along. What is not unusual, is given that there was a shooting, 107 rounds from 7+ individual is completely normal. Do not use round count as a data point to attack events like this. It only diminishes your actual argument, which I assume is this event never should have happened in the first place.
  - the_only_law 4y ago
    Doesn’t LAPD have gang infiltration? I think I heard that a few times.
    - heavyset_go 4y ago
      Not so much gang infiltration, which implies existing gangs getting access to LAPD, but the harboring of deputy gangs, which are gangs created by police officers in the LAPD. More info: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/06/06/the-la-county-sheriffs-deputy-gang-crisis https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/06/06/the-la-county-...
      - tomjakubowski 4y ago
        That story is about the LA Sheriffs, not the LAPD. They're different organizations.
- mrguyorama 4y ago
  It did NOT vaguely look like Dorner's truck, it was a completely different make and color! Literally the only similarities were having a pickup bed!
- oefrha 4y ago
  They literally have gangs within named Executioners, Grim Reapers, and so on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs
  - tomjakubowski 4y ago
    Wrong police department.
- kmeisthax 4y ago
  >Their attorney claimed police "had no idea who was in that vehicle" when they opened fire No, but they knew that the truck contained a dangerous amount of paper with an informationally poisonous substance pressed into it. Who knows what kind of ideological damage could have happened if that stuff was released into the environment. The narrative could crumble!
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asdff 4y ago
They blew up a neighborhood block last year, while ignoring their bomb technician: "“Based on my experience and everything, I said, uh, this is too much to do one shot, we’re gonna break them up, right?” the technician recalled saying to a colleague. He said his colleagues and his supervisor told him that he was wrong and that he should “relax,” and the fireworks were loaded into the vessel all at once anyway, the inspector general found. Later, he said, he told a colleague measuring out a counter-charge, “I have a bad feeling … this is not good … this is too big,” and was again ignored. The subsequent blast, on June 30, ripped open the containment vessel and destroyed much of the surrounding neighborhood, damaging nearly 40 vehicles and 35 properties, injuring 17 people and displacing dozens more residents — many of whom have never returned." https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-02-25/lapd-bomb-technician-says-he-warned-colleagues-fireworks-were-too-much https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-02-25/lapd-bom...

Nothing the LAPD does shocks me anymore. They've normalized their awful behavior as the norm

by alx__ 4y ago

Nothing the LAPD does shocks me anymore. They've normalized their awful behavior as the norm

Remember when they were looking for Dorner and they just started shooting up pickup trucks that vaguely looked like Dorner's? "At about 5:30 am (PST), at least seven[98] LAPD officers on a protection detail of an unnamed LAPD official's residence in the 19500 block of Redbeam Street[99] in the Los Angeles County city of Torrance opened fire on the back of a light blue Toyota Tacoma and shot its two occupants, Emma Hernandez, 71, and her daughter, Margie Carranza, 47,[98][100] delivering newspapers for the Los Angeles Times.[10][101] The vehicle, according to officers, was spotted exiting a freeway and heading to the area of the residence that officers were protecting, was thought by police to match the description of Dorner's 2005 gray Nissan Titan and was moving without its headlights on.[97][102] Hernandez was shot in the back and Carranza received wounds to her hand. Their attorney claimed police "had no idea who was in that vehicle" when they opened fire, and that nothing about his clients or their vehicle matched the descriptions given of the suspect or his truck.[103] The two women stated that they were given no warning prior to being fired upon.[104]" -- wiki LAPD will happily attempt to kill anyone vaguely matching the description of someone they have beef with.

scottyah 4y ago
They fired 107 shots, some of which made it into my old teachers’ house. Completely wild that none were charged as those actions were actually worse than a gang related drive by.
- Alupis 4y ago
  > They fired 107 shots I don't know anything about this incident, and will not comment on such. I just wanted to point out the number of shots fired here from 7+ individuals is not unusual in the slightest, and is not an argument point that should be used to convince anyone of anything. Too often uninformed folks throw around the number of shots fired as-if it means incompetence/maleficence/or worse. It rarely if ever does. EDIT: Allow me to add an edit here since no one seems capable of understanding the nuance in my original post above. DO NOT Use round count as an indicator of anything, or as a cornerstone for an argument. You will be trying to imply something that is just flatly wrong, and it will reduce your argument to being an uninformed person. DO Focus on the facts of the events and ensure outrage is placed where it should be. Round count is not it. With that said - allow me to further clarify my original disclaimer. Should the events of that day taken place? From my uninformed opinion (having only read the above quote) - no, they should not have. In summary, don't quote round counts like it means something. It doesn't, and it only serves to make you look uninformed.
  - evan_ 4y ago
    > the number of shots fired here from 7+ individuals is not unusual in the slightest what's the normal number of shots one should expect to be fired at a completely uninvolved party for no reason by 7+ police officers? I've got a number in my head.
    - Alupis 4y ago
      I should have been prepared for the pushback I suppose. No, 107 shots is not unusual. The events under-which these shots were fired was unusual, but 107 shots being fired from 7+ individuals is not unusual. Averaging about 15 rounds per individual (if only 7 were present, the quote says at least 7), this "firefight" (I realize there was no return fire, just using generally accepted terms) was over in seconds. Anyone with any iota of firearms training can attest to this. If I had to guess, one individual initiated fire (jumpy, poor training, thought they saw something, who knows), and then the rest fell back into their training and opened fire as well. That is exactly how it is supposed to work, and not just for LE. In all firearms training - be it military, law enforcement, and even civilian - you are trained to fire until you are certain there is no more threat. This isn't the movies, you don't "just shoot them in the leg" or whatever uninformed slogan is popular these days. As I previously made a disclosure that I was not commenting on the events themselves, only the specific comment that sought to use the round count as some sort of outrage data point.
      - evan_ 4y ago
        > I realize there was no return fire > the rest fell back into their training and opened fire > That is exactly how it is supposed to work > you are trained to fire until you are certain there is no more threat This is very unusual! I don't give a single shit that they were trained to do it! If the training is to just start shooting and let God sort it out- THAT'S BAD! I find it very unusual that you can just randomly be annihilated by a death squad while driving to work!
        Alupis 4y ago
        So we agree the events were unusual? Good because that's been my disclaimer all along. What is not unusual, is given that there was a shooting, 107 rounds from 7+ individual is completely normal. Do not use round count as a data point to attack events like this. It only diminishes your actual argument, which I assume is this event never should have happened in the first place.
- the_only_law 4y ago
  Doesn’t LAPD have gang infiltration? I think I heard that a few times.
  - heavyset_go 4y ago
    Not so much gang infiltration, which implies existing gangs getting access to LAPD, but the harboring of deputy gangs, which are gangs created by police officers in the LAPD. More info: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/06/06/the-la-county-sheriffs-deputy-gang-crisis https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/06/06/the-la-county-...
    - tomjakubowski 4y ago
      That story is about the LA Sheriffs, not the LAPD. They're different organizations.
mrguyorama 4y ago
It did NOT vaguely look like Dorner's truck, it was a completely different make and color! Literally the only similarities were having a pickup bed!
oefrha 4y ago
They literally have gangs within named Executioners, Grim Reapers, and so on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs
- tomjakubowski 4y ago
  Wrong police department.
kmeisthax 4y ago
>Their attorney claimed police "had no idea who was in that vehicle" when they opened fire No, but they knew that the truck contained a dangerous amount of paper with an informationally poisonous substance pressed into it. Who knows what kind of ideological damage could have happened if that stuff was released into the environment. The narrative could crumble!

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asdff 4y ago

They blew up a neighborhood block last year, while ignoring their bomb technician: "“Based on my experience and everything, I said, uh, this is too much to do one shot, we’re gonna break them up, right?” the technician recalled saying to a colleague. He said his colleagues and his supervisor told him that he was wrong and that he should “relax,” and the fireworks were loaded into the vessel all at once anyway, the inspector general found. Later, he said, he told a colleague measuring out a counter-charge, “I have a bad feeling … this is not good … this is too big,” and was again ignored. The subsequent blast, on June 30, ripped open the containment vessel and destroyed much of the surrounding neighborhood, damaging nearly 40 vehicles and 35 properties, injuring 17 people and displacing dozens more residents — many of whom have never returned." https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-02-25/lapd-bomb-technician-says-he-warned-colleagues-fireworks-were-too-much https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-02-25/lapd-bom...