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Did he get some sort of wake-up call from his bizarre Ukraine-foreign-policy poll yesterday? I don't understand his motivations, but if you see him as a super-

Did he get some sort of wake-up call from his bizarre Ukraine-foreign-policy poll yesterday? I don't understand his motivations, but if you see him as a super-depressed billionaire with ADHD it makes a _bit_ of sense.

hotpotamus 4y ago
I was thinking more of a manic depressive thing.
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- dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
  He's not bipolar, he's just a child.
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rossdavidh 4y ago
Or, his realization of the likely outcome of the Twitter trial had the paradigm of "what if we just surrender already" primed in his subconscious, hence his Ukraine tweet.
phphphphp 4y ago
the impending court case is probably a bigger motivator. better to do a 180 now and control the narrative than lose in court, I guess.
belter 4y ago
Misdirection is the name of the game.... Tesla shares dip more than 8% after third-quarter deliveries report" - https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/03/tesla-stock-down-after-third-quarter-deliveries-report-.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/03/tesla-stock-down-after-third...
- shaburn 4y ago
  He bottom ticked ticked the market with much more to lose on Tesla Stock and publicly disclosed twitter's dirt prior to purchase.
- filoleg 4y ago
  > Tesla shares dip more than 8% after third-quarter deliveries report That's a rather roundabout way of saying "the entire market was very significantly down yesterday". S&P500 was down, tech companies were down, almost everything was. You could write that story about any company using the premise, just swap the company ticker and the event at the end of the sentence.
  - rsynnott 4y ago
    ... Are you writing this from an alternate universe? The S&P opened at about 3618 yesterday (after closing Friday at a little under that), and closed at 3677. Today it opened at 3749, and remains at that level or a little higher. Tesla closed Friday at 265, opened Monday at 243, closed Monday at 242, and opened at 252 today, before falling back to the low 240s.
    - filoleg 4y ago
      No, I am writing it from the universe where I looked at the closing price on friday and then checked the open price on monday, and I was consistent with it. All while you posted friday close for TSLA and compared it to monday open, but didn't do the friday close for SPY. If you are looking just at monday-open to monday-close (which is what you did for SPY), TSLA moved from 243 to 242. As of today, TSLA is over $246.
      - rsynnott 4y ago
        As I said, > The S&P opened at about 3618 yesterday (after closing Friday at a little under that) I didn't think it was worth mentioning the numbers, because the change wasn't hugely significant for the S&P, but Friday close was 3589, Monday open was 3616; that is a rise of 0.7%.
memish 4y ago
Why is seeking peace and reducing nuclear risk considered bizarre??
- paxys 4y ago
  Because his version of "seeking peace" suspiciously lines up with exactly what Russia is asking for.
  - jeanluc_discard 4y ago
    Seeking peace also lines up with what every sane person should want
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    - dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
      Giving aggressors what they stole is not going to achieve peace, it's going achieve more aggression. If you're going to give up something just because someone else has a nuke, then you'll end up giving them everything you have, because they're not going to give up their nukes. They will always have power over you.
    - awb 4y ago
      Safety and self-determination is what everyone should want. Peace between nations is only part of the picture. Peace between people and their government is another part. We could all have world peace between nations tomorrow if every nation capitulated to Russia. But you’d have endless tension between the people and their new Russian authorities.
    - fzeroracer 4y ago
      If someone punches you in the face then says they simply want peace right after, does that make them a criminal or should you just let bygones be bygones?
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paxys 4y ago
There's a simpler explanation than depression or ADHD. Elon wants his wealth to translate into national and international political power, as has been the case historically with figures like Carnegie, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Gates, Waltons, Kochs. He is finding out the hard way that a number in his bank account will not automatically get him that standing. He simply doesn't have the skills to work his way up in those circles.
- andrei_says_ 4y ago
  I agree with this. Still think that the ADHD, depression and narcissism are clearly detectable, in addition to substance abuse. Giving more and more power to individuals who clearly struggle with mental health may not be in the best interest of society.
  - hunterb123 4y ago
    It's an Elon thread so HN users turn into doctors diagnosing depression, ADHD, etc. Throw "narcissism" in there too for good measure, oh wait you did, bingo! It couldn't be that he just thinks differently than you do, no he must have a mental illness! - edit - Someone flagged my reply to the person below concerning the pedo diver so I'll just drop this link here too: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/idyllic-thai-province-hides-a-dirty-secret https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/idyllic-thai-provi...
    - asdff 4y ago
      If you are a public figure and call a rescuer a pedophile on twitter I question your mental stability. What other comments does he make in private I wonder?
      - hunterb123 4y ago
        The pedo diver picked the fight first after Elon offered help and the pedo diver expat Brit lives in a known location for child exploitation: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/idyllic-thai-province-hides-a-dirty-secret https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/idyllic-thai-provi... In the end Elon did apologize to the guy for calling him a pedo, he probably just likes diving over there after all! But I see... if you call people a name you must be unstable, makes sense with all the people spouting out racist this and that. I wonder what comments you make in private that we can all use judge your mental soundness.
irthomasthomas 4y ago
His text messages from discovery make clear that reducing head count was his priority. Everything he's done since the deal has been about that, including his tweets yesterday, that where studiedly adversarial to most tweeps. He doesn't want to fight employees to re-instate "the boss". But he was only "permanently suspended", after all. I can't believe Elon Musk will actually get to own twitter. That's pretty messed up.
- rvz 4y ago
  > I can't believe Elon Musk will actually get to own twitter. That's pretty messed up. Either way, I don't care what happens and it is best to watch the two fraudsters fight over a sinking ship and watch the whole chaos from a distance.
d23 4y ago
Maybe. I really just wish he would go away.
- randycupertino 4y ago
  It's weird to me how he tries to shoehorn himself in to every single global news story. We did not need Elon's hot take on Free Britney. Don't you have three companies to run?
  - rossdavidh 4y ago
    He needs/wants you to be thinking about those companies (or their stock) as often as possible. It's an attention economy, and he is a master at getting as much of it as possible. Some percent of the people reminded of The Elon will also thus be reminded to buy some stock (esp. in an era when buying stock is just a smartphone app away). I'm not saying it makes sense, I'm just saying it probably works.
matwood 4y ago
The simple explanation is he knows he is going to lose (as everyone has been saying since he tried to back out), and either be forced to buy the company or pay a break up fee. With most thinking the fee would be in the 10B+ range, there's an argument to just go through with the sale and at least end up with an asset. In some ways at 10B+, he's pot committed.
- prirun 4y ago
  This makes the most sense to me, esp considering it lets him avoid potentially messy depositions of himself and his billionaire friends.

hotpotamus 4y ago

I was thinking more of a manic depressive thing.

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dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
He's not bipolar, he's just a child.
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rossdavidh 4y ago

Or, his realization of the likely outcome of the Twitter trial had the paradigm of "what if we just surrender already" primed in his subconscious, hence his Ukraine tweet.

phphphphp 4y ago

the impending court case is probably a bigger motivator. better to do a 180 now and control the narrative than lose in court, I guess.

belter 4y ago

Misdirection is the name of the game.... Tesla shares dip more than 8% after third-quarter deliveries report" - https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/03/tesla-stock-down-after-third-quarter-deliveries-report-.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/03/tesla-stock-down-after-third...

shaburn 4y ago
He bottom ticked ticked the market with much more to lose on Tesla Stock and publicly disclosed twitter's dirt prior to purchase.
filoleg 4y ago
> Tesla shares dip more than 8% after third-quarter deliveries report That's a rather roundabout way of saying "the entire market was very significantly down yesterday". S&P500 was down, tech companies were down, almost everything was. You could write that story about any company using the premise, just swap the company ticker and the event at the end of the sentence.
- rsynnott 4y ago
  ... Are you writing this from an alternate universe? The S&P opened at about 3618 yesterday (after closing Friday at a little under that), and closed at 3677. Today it opened at 3749, and remains at that level or a little higher. Tesla closed Friday at 265, opened Monday at 243, closed Monday at 242, and opened at 252 today, before falling back to the low 240s.
  - filoleg 4y ago
    No, I am writing it from the universe where I looked at the closing price on friday and then checked the open price on monday, and I was consistent with it. All while you posted friday close for TSLA and compared it to monday open, but didn't do the friday close for SPY. If you are looking just at monday-open to monday-close (which is what you did for SPY), TSLA moved from 243 to 242. As of today, TSLA is over $246.
    - rsynnott 4y ago
      As I said, > The S&P opened at about 3618 yesterday (after closing Friday at a little under that) I didn't think it was worth mentioning the numbers, because the change wasn't hugely significant for the S&P, but Friday close was 3589, Monday open was 3616; that is a rise of 0.7%.

memish 4y ago

Why is seeking peace and reducing nuclear risk considered bizarre??

paxys 4y ago
Because his version of "seeking peace" suspiciously lines up with exactly what Russia is asking for.
- jeanluc_discard 4y ago
  Seeking peace also lines up with what every sane person should want
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  - dkjaudyeqooe 4y ago
    Giving aggressors what they stole is not going to achieve peace, it's going achieve more aggression. If you're going to give up something just because someone else has a nuke, then you'll end up giving them everything you have, because they're not going to give up their nukes. They will always have power over you.
  - awb 4y ago
    Safety and self-determination is what everyone should want. Peace between nations is only part of the picture. Peace between people and their government is another part. We could all have world peace between nations tomorrow if every nation capitulated to Russia. But you’d have endless tension between the people and their new Russian authorities.
  - fzeroracer 4y ago
    If someone punches you in the face then says they simply want peace right after, does that make them a criminal or should you just let bygones be bygones?
  - favorited 4y ago

paxys 4y ago

There's a simpler explanation than depression or ADHD. Elon wants his wealth to translate into national and international political power, as has been the case historically with figures like Carnegie, Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, Gates, Waltons, Kochs. He is finding out the hard way that a number in his bank account will not automatically get him that standing. He simply doesn't have the skills to work his way up in those circles.

andrei_says_ 4y ago
I agree with this. Still think that the ADHD, depression and narcissism are clearly detectable, in addition to substance abuse. Giving more and more power to individuals who clearly struggle with mental health may not be in the best interest of society.
- hunterb123 4y ago
  It's an Elon thread so HN users turn into doctors diagnosing depression, ADHD, etc. Throw "narcissism" in there too for good measure, oh wait you did, bingo! It couldn't be that he just thinks differently than you do, no he must have a mental illness! - edit - Someone flagged my reply to the person below concerning the pedo diver so I'll just drop this link here too: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/idyllic-thai-province-hides-a-dirty-secret https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/idyllic-thai-provi...
  - asdff 4y ago
    If you are a public figure and call a rescuer a pedophile on twitter I question your mental stability. What other comments does he make in private I wonder?
    - hunterb123 4y ago
      The pedo diver picked the fight first after Elon offered help and the pedo diver expat Brit lives in a known location for child exploitation: https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/idyllic-thai-province-hides-a-dirty-secret https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/idyllic-thai-provi... In the end Elon did apologize to the guy for calling him a pedo, he probably just likes diving over there after all! But I see... if you call people a name you must be unstable, makes sense with all the people spouting out racist this and that. I wonder what comments you make in private that we can all use judge your mental soundness.

irthomasthomas 4y ago

His text messages from discovery make clear that reducing head count was his priority. Everything he's done since the deal has been about that, including his tweets yesterday, that where studiedly adversarial to most tweeps. He doesn't want to fight employees to re-instate "the boss". But he was only "permanently suspended", after all. I can't believe Elon Musk will actually get to own twitter. That's pretty messed up.

rvz 4y ago
> I can't believe Elon Musk will actually get to own twitter. That's pretty messed up. Either way, I don't care what happens and it is best to watch the two fraudsters fight over a sinking ship and watch the whole chaos from a distance.

d23 4y ago

Maybe. I really just wish he would go away.

randycupertino 4y ago
It's weird to me how he tries to shoehorn himself in to every single global news story. We did not need Elon's hot take on Free Britney. Don't you have three companies to run?
- rossdavidh 4y ago
  He needs/wants you to be thinking about those companies (or their stock) as often as possible. It's an attention economy, and he is a master at getting as much of it as possible. Some percent of the people reminded of The Elon will also thus be reminded to buy some stock (esp. in an era when buying stock is just a smartphone app away). I'm not saying it makes sense, I'm just saying it probably works.

matwood 4y ago

The simple explanation is he knows he is going to lose (as everyone has been saying since he tried to back out), and either be forced to buy the company or pay a break up fee. With most thinking the fee would be in the 10B+ range, there's an argument to just go through with the sale and at least end up with an asset. In some ways at 10B+, he's pot committed.

prirun 4y ago
This makes the most sense to me, esp considering it lets him avoid potentially messy depositions of himself and his billionaire friends.