3 ms·

Yeah. That isn't satire or a joke. It's wearing the cloth, but it's really a thinly veiled screed against the "libruls". It's positing that people are calling

by bena 4y ago

Yeah. That isn't satire or a joke. It's wearing the cloth, but it's really a thinly veiled screed against the "libruls". It's positing that people are calling you fascist for saying Merry Christmas or voting for Trump. No one is doing that. Not a single goddamn person is doing that. Not a fucking soul is calling you fascist for celebrating the 4th of July. But if you support or have supported an insurrection on your nation's capitol to install the loser of an election to the highest office in the land. You may have fascist tendencies. If you wish to install a theocracy and enforce the rules of your religion onto others. You may have fascist tendencies. Then they throw in the mustache, goose-stepping bit. Which while both were done by actual fascists and are clear nods to Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party, they aren't necessary or sufficient conditions. Then they go on with the Biden criticisms in which they distort or ignore things to make claims. Like "You use federal law enforcement to intimidate and attack political opponents". Just completely ignoring the fact that it's neither intimidation nor an attack to investigate people who broke the law. Regardless if they're a "political opponent" or not. Which is kind of hilarious as one of Trump's campaign promises/slogans was literally a promise to use law enforcement to attack a political opponent. As with most cases, the "joke" with The Babylon Bee is "fuck liberals".

ccn0p 4y ago
well. as stated many times, you are upset and don't find this funny, but many people do find this funny. So is that comedy? Also, jokes that are about literal things are, well, usually more boring. Have people called me a fascist for saying Merry Christmas? Nope. But... have I seen legitimate news outlets using the word fascist and Christian in the same article? Yep. Did it indirectly draw a connection between the two? Sure seems like it to me. Hence, the joke.
- bena 4y ago
  Why do you think I'm upset? That's a weird thing to accuse people of right off the bat. Some people also find cruelty funny. That wouldn't make cruelty funny. Yes, when talking about people who are Christian nationalists trying to install a theocracy, you may have the words "fascist" and "Christian" in the same article. But it's not in the same ballpark, or even the same sport, as saying you're being called a fascist for saying "Merry Christmas". If anything, it's motte and bailey disguised as a joke. They're trying to get people to see anyone associating anything even Christian adjacent to fascism as unreasonable people. But. You can be Christian and not be a fascist. You can go do Christian things, worship Christian gods, attend Christian churches, have Christian holidays. No one is going to say anything about it. The minute you try to force me to accept your Christian things, worship your gods, attend your Churches, and celebrate your holidays over all others, is the minute we start having problems. The minute we begin saying that you are a fascist in addition to being a Christian. Because no one is saying Christianity is fascism. But that's what that "joke" does. It's basically staking the claim that people complaining about Christian fascists are saying that all Christians are fascists. Or at the very least, saying that's a leap you can make. And it's not.
  - 1123581321 4y ago
    You sounded upset to me as well. Long post, f-word, using extremely online words like the sarcastic use of “librul,” and a couple other things. The overall discourse here has been more succinct and of a more moderate tone without compromising the ideas being shared. I don’t think it’s weird for someone to point out to you that your post is standing out in a negative way.
  - noonesays 4y ago
    > Because no one is saying Christianity is fascism. "American Christianity is fascism, all American Christians." https://twitter.com/MayMayGraves/status/1564745487378530305 https://twitter.com/MayMayGraves/status/1564745487378530305 See also https://twitter.com/PatRyatt/status/1576708937725927424 https://twitter.com/PatRyatt/status/1576708937725927424 https://twitter.com/sladeofyaupon/status/1309652727660785664 https://twitter.com/sladeofyaupon/status/1309652727660785664 https://twitter.com/timberwraith/status/1529918154721398784 https://twitter.com/timberwraith/status/1529918154721398784 https://twitter.com/VofDestruction/status/1577248637507104769 https://twitter.com/VofDestruction/status/157724863750710476... https://twitter.com/JasonIsCreating/status/1532785152933474308 https://twitter.com/JasonIsCreating/status/15327851529334743...
  - ccn0p 4y ago
    i guess your f-bombs and swearing confused my brains sentiment analyzer. It seems like you don't laugh at the Bee </interpretation>. I don't laugh at SNL. Or Trevor Noah. I cringe. But it's still satirical comedy nonetheless because lots of people do laugh and I would be the first person in line to protect their right to make fun of Trump or Christians or Republicans. Without this right to push the boundary, especially in a way that makes people laugh, then it really does start to look like fascism.
noonesays 4y ago
> It's positing that people are calling you fascist for ... voting for Trump. No one is doing that. Not a single goddamn person is doing that. "Voting for Trump makes you a White Supremacist Fascist" https://twitter.com/fuzzybeargville/status/1566101267524554752 https://twitter.com/fuzzybeargville/status/15661012675245547... See also https://twitter.com/jeffrasley/status/1575145987974242306 https://twitter.com/jeffrasley/status/1575145987974242306 https://twitter.com/Isle_of_Sun/status/1559962427529240576 https://twitter.com/Isle_of_Sun/status/1559962427529240576 https://twitter.com/KeithInKeyWest/status/1565436136461312001 https://twitter.com/KeithInKeyWest/status/156543613646131200... https://twitter.com/geoffbaron/status/1559935679559135232 https://twitter.com/geoffbaron/status/1559935679559135232 https://twitter.com/NarrativeMachi1/status/1559885509576491008 https://twitter.com/NarrativeMachi1/status/15598855095764910... > Not a fucking soul is calling you fascist for celebrating the 4th of July. "America is a fascist country therefore, celebrating this July 4th is celebrating fascism." https://twitter.com/FFDC202/status/1542899275453046784 https://twitter.com/FFDC202/status/1542899275453046784 See also https://twitter.com/TheRickyDavila/status/1543338278685773824 https://twitter.com/TheRickyDavila/status/154333827868577382... https://twitter.com/mackyson/status/1543846595317452800 https://twitter.com/mackyson/status/1543846595317452800
- ZeroGravitas 4y ago
  You found Ben Shapiro claiming that Liz Cheney was calling all Trump 2024 voters 'incipient' Fascist, and you think that supports your case? How about limiting the proof of what you think "liberals" think to stuff that blue checkmarked Twitter accounts who aren't professional comedians say in earnest. Otherwise we might as well use stuff scrawled on a bathroom stall wall in poop for our sources.

by bena 4y ago

ccn0p 4y ago

well. as stated many times, you are upset and don't find this funny, but many people do find this funny. So is that comedy? Also, jokes that are about literal things are, well, usually more boring. Have people called me a fascist for saying Merry Christmas? Nope. But... have I seen legitimate news outlets using the word fascist and Christian in the same article? Yep. Did it indirectly draw a connection between the two? Sure seems like it to me. Hence, the joke.

bena 4y ago
Why do you think I'm upset? That's a weird thing to accuse people of right off the bat. Some people also find cruelty funny. That wouldn't make cruelty funny. Yes, when talking about people who are Christian nationalists trying to install a theocracy, you may have the words "fascist" and "Christian" in the same article. But it's not in the same ballpark, or even the same sport, as saying you're being called a fascist for saying "Merry Christmas". If anything, it's motte and bailey disguised as a joke. They're trying to get people to see anyone associating anything even Christian adjacent to fascism as unreasonable people. But. You can be Christian and not be a fascist. You can go do Christian things, worship Christian gods, attend Christian churches, have Christian holidays. No one is going to say anything about it. The minute you try to force me to accept your Christian things, worship your gods, attend your Churches, and celebrate your holidays over all others, is the minute we start having problems. The minute we begin saying that you are a fascist in addition to being a Christian. Because no one is saying Christianity is fascism. But that's what that "joke" does. It's basically staking the claim that people complaining about Christian fascists are saying that all Christians are fascists. Or at the very least, saying that's a leap you can make. And it's not.
- 1123581321 4y ago
  You sounded upset to me as well. Long post, f-word, using extremely online words like the sarcastic use of “librul,” and a couple other things. The overall discourse here has been more succinct and of a more moderate tone without compromising the ideas being shared. I don’t think it’s weird for someone to point out to you that your post is standing out in a negative way.
- noonesays 4y ago
  > Because no one is saying Christianity is fascism. "American Christianity is fascism, all American Christians." https://twitter.com/MayMayGraves/status/1564745487378530305 https://twitter.com/MayMayGraves/status/1564745487378530305 See also https://twitter.com/PatRyatt/status/1576708937725927424 https://twitter.com/PatRyatt/status/1576708937725927424 https://twitter.com/sladeofyaupon/status/1309652727660785664 https://twitter.com/sladeofyaupon/status/1309652727660785664 https://twitter.com/timberwraith/status/1529918154721398784 https://twitter.com/timberwraith/status/1529918154721398784 https://twitter.com/VofDestruction/status/1577248637507104769 https://twitter.com/VofDestruction/status/157724863750710476... https://twitter.com/JasonIsCreating/status/1532785152933474308 https://twitter.com/JasonIsCreating/status/15327851529334743...
- ccn0p 4y ago
  i guess your f-bombs and swearing confused my brains sentiment analyzer. It seems like you don't laugh at the Bee </interpretation>. I don't laugh at SNL. Or Trevor Noah. I cringe. But it's still satirical comedy nonetheless because lots of people do laugh and I would be the first person in line to protect their right to make fun of Trump or Christians or Republicans. Without this right to push the boundary, especially in a way that makes people laugh, then it really does start to look like fascism.

noonesays 4y ago

> It's positing that people are calling you fascist for ... voting for Trump. No one is doing that. Not a single goddamn person is doing that. "Voting for Trump makes you a White Supremacist Fascist" https://twitter.com/fuzzybeargville/status/1566101267524554752 https://twitter.com/fuzzybeargville/status/15661012675245547... See also https://twitter.com/jeffrasley/status/1575145987974242306 https://twitter.com/jeffrasley/status/1575145987974242306 https://twitter.com/Isle_of_Sun/status/1559962427529240576 https://twitter.com/Isle_of_Sun/status/1559962427529240576 https://twitter.com/KeithInKeyWest/status/1565436136461312001 https://twitter.com/KeithInKeyWest/status/156543613646131200... https://twitter.com/geoffbaron/status/1559935679559135232 https://twitter.com/geoffbaron/status/1559935679559135232 https://twitter.com/NarrativeMachi1/status/1559885509576491008 https://twitter.com/NarrativeMachi1/status/15598855095764910... > Not a fucking soul is calling you fascist for celebrating the 4th of July. "America is a fascist country therefore, celebrating this July 4th is celebrating fascism." https://twitter.com/FFDC202/status/1542899275453046784 https://twitter.com/FFDC202/status/1542899275453046784 See also https://twitter.com/TheRickyDavila/status/1543338278685773824 https://twitter.com/TheRickyDavila/status/154333827868577382... https://twitter.com/mackyson/status/1543846595317452800 https://twitter.com/mackyson/status/1543846595317452800

ZeroGravitas 4y ago
You found Ben Shapiro claiming that Liz Cheney was calling all Trump 2024 voters 'incipient' Fascist, and you think that supports your case? How about limiting the proof of what you think "liberals" think to stuff that blue checkmarked Twitter accounts who aren't professional comedians say in earnest. Otherwise we might as well use stuff scrawled on a bathroom stall wall in poop for our sources.