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Do you actually have data on that though? I see that kind of argument get thrown around but it is never substantiated. How will usbc lead to less waste? If yo

Do you actually have data on that though? I see that kind of argument get thrown around but it is never substantiated. How will usbc lead to less waste? If you wanna make that argument, wouldn’t it be better to force companies to opt you out of getting chargers and cables unless you explicitly ask for them when you make the purchase?

flavius29663 4y ago
> If you wanna make that argument, wouldn’t it be better to force companies to opt you out of getting chargers and cables unless you explicitly ask for them when you make the purchase? That is a natural step forward after the cables are unified. Even today, 80% of the electronic devices I'm buying are coming without a charger and this is all due to the fact that the market stabilized to USB charging (mini and now USB-C). I still remember we used to have drawers full of old phone chargers...
- distances 4y ago
  I still have a small sack of those old chargers. Can't put them in the generic waste, nobody would buy them, and I've been too lazy to take them to the electronic waste recycling.
the_gipsy 4y ago
They already do that in Europe, IIRC my iPhone came with just a lightning to USB-C cable and no charger.
piperswe 4y ago
Apple already does that with chargers, new iPhones no longer come with charging bricks, just the cables. I'd be fine with not including the cables if the phones were USB-C, but since they're Lightning the likelihood of a new iPhone user already having a cable that will work is very low.
permo-w 4y ago
less cables needed = less waste
- cal85 4y ago
  Yes but do cables contribute a significant amount of waste in general, worthy of being specifically regulated? I actually don’t know either way, so it would be nice to see some data.
  - permo-w 4y ago
    you do not need data to know that hundreds of millions of people using one less cable will = hugely lessened waste
ThatPlayer 4y ago
Yes, that was part of the proposal: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_21_4613 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_21_... > Unbundling the sale of a charger from the sale of the electronic device But without a universal charger that doesn't make sense: if I still need a specific charger for a device, I'm going to have to buy that with the device anyways.

flavius29663 4y ago

> If you wanna make that argument, wouldn’t it be better to force companies to opt you out of getting chargers and cables unless you explicitly ask for them when you make the purchase? That is a natural step forward after the cables are unified. Even today, 80% of the electronic devices I'm buying are coming without a charger and this is all due to the fact that the market stabilized to USB charging (mini and now USB-C). I still remember we used to have drawers full of old phone chargers...

distances 4y ago
I still have a small sack of those old chargers. Can't put them in the generic waste, nobody would buy them, and I've been too lazy to take them to the electronic waste recycling.

the_gipsy 4y ago

They already do that in Europe, IIRC my iPhone came with just a lightning to USB-C cable and no charger.

piperswe 4y ago

Apple already does that with chargers, new iPhones no longer come with charging bricks, just the cables. I'd be fine with not including the cables if the phones were USB-C, but since they're Lightning the likelihood of a new iPhone user already having a cable that will work is very low.

permo-w 4y ago

less cables needed = less waste

cal85 4y ago
Yes but do cables contribute a significant amount of waste in general, worthy of being specifically regulated? I actually don’t know either way, so it would be nice to see some data.
- permo-w 4y ago
  you do not need data to know that hundreds of millions of people using one less cable will = hugely lessened waste

ThatPlayer 4y ago

Yes, that was part of the proposal: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_21_4613 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_21_... > Unbundling the sale of a charger from the sale of the electronic device But without a universal charger that doesn't make sense: if I still need a specific charger for a device, I'm going to have to buy that with the device anyways.