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The EU consulted with phone producers before standardizing on micro-USB, then again before standardizing on USB-C, and it will do again when something better co

The EU consulted with phone producers before standardizing on micro-USB, then again before standardizing on USB-C, and it will do again when something better comes up. They have explicitly called out not regulating wireless charging for this reason. Yours is a valid concern, but it's not grounded in reality.

amelius 4y ago
> They have explicitly called out not regulating wireless charging for this reason. Doesn't wireless charging present even more problems, given the meager efficiency compared to using wires?
- riffraff 4y ago
  I think the point is that there's no clear consensus on a "winner" right now. USB-C (back then micro-USB) had vast backing, had been in use for a while in many places and was "good enough" for everyone (except Apple-only-on-iphones). It's unclear what is the equivalent for wireless right now.
Krkrmfnfmmd 4y ago
Who exactly did they consult with?
- riffraff 4y ago
  With the "14 biggest phone producers in the world", back when the original proposal for micro USB came up. I mean, who would you consult with?
- ZGDUwpqEWpUZ 4y ago
  2009: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_09_1049 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_09_... > The following companies have signed the MoU: Apple, LG, Motorola, NEC, Nokia, Qualcomm, Research in Motion (RIM), Samsung, Sony Ericsson, Texas Instruments.
  - magicalhippo 4y ago
    That's when they moved to Micro-USB. This is the next step. But yeah, I'd imagine the same companies voiced their opinions this time around, along with others.
- magicalhippo 4y ago
  I can't find the exact names right now, but from the Impact Assessment report[1] they did stakeholder surveys, which included 121 stakeholders of which 23% were private companies. In addition to that they did targeted interviews with 7 manufacturers associations and 17 manufacturers. [1]: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=SWD%3A2021%3A0245%3AFIN https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=SWD%3A20... (Annex 2)

amelius 4y ago

> They have explicitly called out not regulating wireless charging for this reason. Doesn't wireless charging present even more problems, given the meager efficiency compared to using wires?

riffraff 4y ago
I think the point is that there's no clear consensus on a "winner" right now. USB-C (back then micro-USB) had vast backing, had been in use for a while in many places and was "good enough" for everyone (except Apple-only-on-iphones). It's unclear what is the equivalent for wireless right now.

Krkrmfnfmmd 4y ago

Who exactly did they consult with?

riffraff 4y ago
With the "14 biggest phone producers in the world", back when the original proposal for micro USB came up. I mean, who would you consult with?
ZGDUwpqEWpUZ 4y ago
2009: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_09_1049 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_09_... > The following companies have signed the MoU: Apple, LG, Motorola, NEC, Nokia, Qualcomm, Research in Motion (RIM), Samsung, Sony Ericsson, Texas Instruments.
- magicalhippo 4y ago
  That's when they moved to Micro-USB. This is the next step. But yeah, I'd imagine the same companies voiced their opinions this time around, along with others.
magicalhippo 4y ago
I can't find the exact names right now, but from the Impact Assessment report[1] they did stakeholder surveys, which included 121 stakeholders of which 23% were private companies. In addition to that they did targeted interviews with 7 manufacturers associations and 17 manufacturers. [1]: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=SWD%3A2021%3A0245%3AFIN https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=SWD%3A20... (Annex 2)