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Yes, looking over to the US the gun fetishism over there is creeping me out. I'm glad we have strict gun ownership. The small number of accidental shootings whi

Yes, looking over to the US the gun fetishism over there is creeping me out. I'm glad we have strict gun ownership. The small number of accidental shootings while hunting is more than enough.

rs999gti 4y ago
Is it really more random shootings in the US, or more media reporting on shootings? Edit: seems to be the latter https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2020/october/study-medias-reporting-on-gun-violence-does-not-reflect-reality https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2020/october...
- dubya 4y ago
  The numbers I could find are 0.24 firearm-related deaths/100K population for the UK vs 10.95/100K for the US. (https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-death...) By this metric, the US is better off that much of South and Central America. I bet if the stats were normalized by deaths/100K guns instead the US would look pretty good. (~17% drop for US, as we have more guns than people, but every other country has significant increases)
- nucleardog 4y ago
  It's more gun deaths in the US. If you compare to Canada which, compared to all Western countries besides the US, has comparatively lax gun laws and high firearms ownership rates and a similar overall culture: * US sees 12.21 firearms deaths per capita per year to Canada's 1.94. * US sees 4.46 homicides via firearm per capita per year to Canada's 0.52. (The UK stacks up at 0.20 and 0.02, so significantly lower still.) This pattern holds over basically all numbers relating to rates of violence at every level of division.
  - HelloNurse 4y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_g... According to these statistics USA has only almost 4 times as many guns as Canada, suggesting that to a large extent "people kill people".
    - olalonde 4y ago
      That's a big difference actually. Also, the type of firearms owned are different. In Canada, firearms are mostly for hunting whereas in the United States, they are mostly for protection. In Canada, less than 12% of firearm-owning households have hand guns whereas it is at 72% in the U.S. In Canada, 95% of firearm-owning households own long guns. Long guns are more inconvenient for committing crimes or murders than handguns. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/americas-complex-relationship-with-guns/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/america... https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/csj-sjc/jsp-sjp/wd98_4-dt98_4/p2.html#a26 https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/csj-sjc/jsp-sjp/wd98_4-d...
  - apetresc 4y ago
    I don't know anything about gun statistics, but 0.52 seems wrong. I've seen multiple news reports each year of shootings in downtown Toronto alone.
  - collegeburner 4y ago
    i assume you're using some larger unit but saying "per capita" because it's not possible to have more than 1 death per capita. regardless when will y'all understand citing death statistics will not convince us to ban guns? we oppose it because we believe it's wrong to restrict a basic freedom not because death figures are under some magic threshold where we'd support it if the number went over.
    - the_gipsy 4y ago
      There's no "magic threshold", just orders of magnitudes more deaths and violence where gun laws are lax.
      - collegeburner 4y ago
        the "law of small numbers" says 2 numbers can still be tiny in absolute terms even if they are orders of magnitude apart.
Pr0GrasTiNati0n 4y ago
...Britannia a knife crime problem because good people can't kill the bad ones from range...you snowflakes are insane!
- burnished 4y ago
  You know what's weird? I associate "my feelings are super special and I will get UPSET if you say things I don't agree with" with people who use snowflake to refer to anything but pretty little shapes.

Yes, looking over to the US the gun fetishism over there is creeping me out. I'm glad we have strict gun ownership. The small number of accidental shootings while hunting is more than enough.

rs999gti 4y ago

Is it really more random shootings in the US, or more media reporting on shootings? Edit: seems to be the latter https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2020/october/study-medias-reporting-on-gun-violence-does-not-reflect-reality https://www.pennmedicine.org/news/news-releases/2020/october...

dubya 4y ago
The numbers I could find are 0.24 firearm-related deaths/100K population for the UK vs 10.95/100K for the US. (https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-death...) By this metric, the US is better off that much of South and Central America. I bet if the stats were normalized by deaths/100K guns instead the US would look pretty good. (~17% drop for US, as we have more guns than people, but every other country has significant increases)
nucleardog 4y ago
It's more gun deaths in the US. If you compare to Canada which, compared to all Western countries besides the US, has comparatively lax gun laws and high firearms ownership rates and a similar overall culture: * US sees 12.21 firearms deaths per capita per year to Canada's 1.94. * US sees 4.46 homicides via firearm per capita per year to Canada's 0.52. (The UK stacks up at 0.20 and 0.02, so significantly lower still.) This pattern holds over basically all numbers relating to rates of violence at every level of division.
- HelloNurse 4y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_g... According to these statistics USA has only almost 4 times as many guns as Canada, suggesting that to a large extent "people kill people".
  - olalonde 4y ago
    That's a big difference actually. Also, the type of firearms owned are different. In Canada, firearms are mostly for hunting whereas in the United States, they are mostly for protection. In Canada, less than 12% of firearm-owning households have hand guns whereas it is at 72% in the U.S. In Canada, 95% of firearm-owning households own long guns. Long guns are more inconvenient for committing crimes or murders than handguns. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/americas-complex-relationship-with-guns/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/america... https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/csj-sjc/jsp-sjp/wd98_4-dt98_4/p2.html#a26 https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/csj-sjc/jsp-sjp/wd98_4-d...
- apetresc 4y ago
  I don't know anything about gun statistics, but 0.52 seems wrong. I've seen multiple news reports each year of shootings in downtown Toronto alone.
- collegeburner 4y ago
  i assume you're using some larger unit but saying "per capita" because it's not possible to have more than 1 death per capita. regardless when will y'all understand citing death statistics will not convince us to ban guns? we oppose it because we believe it's wrong to restrict a basic freedom not because death figures are under some magic threshold where we'd support it if the number went over.
  - the_gipsy 4y ago
    There's no "magic threshold", just orders of magnitudes more deaths and violence where gun laws are lax.
    - collegeburner 4y ago
      the "law of small numbers" says 2 numbers can still be tiny in absolute terms even if they are orders of magnitude apart.

Pr0GrasTiNati0n 4y ago

...Britannia a knife crime problem because good people can't kill the bad ones from range...you snowflakes are insane!

burnished 4y ago
You know what's weird? I associate "my feelings are super special and I will get UPSET if you say things I don't agree with" with people who use snowflake to refer to anything but pretty little shapes.