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Not a single sentence of this article refers to renewables.

by CaptainMarvel 4y ago

xwdv 4y ago
I think it’s implied.
- simonh 4y ago
  I don't think so, he explicitly states exactly what he thinks Europe should have done, and that's negotiate with Putin. Out and out victim blaming.
  - johannes1234321 4y ago
    There were tons of attempts of negotiation. So mich that the long table became a meme. But if a party has aims which are unacceptable for the others, there isn't much negotiations can lead to.
    - simonh 4y ago
      Right, by negotiate with Putin he means accept whatever terms Putin demanded.
  - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
    Russian displomats demanded denazification of Ukraine. When pressed on the details, they didn't know what it meant. They can't know because they have a paranoid, ramblish (did you see the recent speech?) geneatric emperror and slave-ish, self desteuctive subservience.
  - petre 4y ago
    One does not simply negotiate with the Russians. It only works until after the've been beaten them and they have their back to the wall.
Bud 4y ago
As xwdv points out, it's implied, inescapably, by two points: 1) it blames the EU, somehow, instead of Russia 2) if by some magical thinking one avoids blaming Russia somehow, the only other possible thing the EU could have done wrong is to have not somehow built a lot more of its own fossil-fuel infrastructure and production, earlier. Which isn't really a strong argument, but if you're trying really hard to avoid admitting that Russia is the problem, and you have a bone to pick about relying more on fossil fuels, that's the only trick in the bag.
- adventured 4y ago
  Russia is the primary problem. The secondary problem - as it pertains to the energy context - was the EU's (affluent Europe more broadly) wide failure to understand or accept what Russia is (and what consequences the Russian culture would inevitably produce again for Europe, namely wars of conquest against their neighbors).
- Schroedingersat 4y ago
  If they'd actually done the thing everyone is blaming it on (ie. spend vastly more on renewables than fossil fuels or nuclear) it wouldn't be a problem

Not a single sentence of this article refers to renewables.

xwdv 4y ago

I think it’s implied.

simonh 4y ago
I don't think so, he explicitly states exactly what he thinks Europe should have done, and that's negotiate with Putin. Out and out victim blaming.
- johannes1234321 4y ago
  There were tons of attempts of negotiation. So mich that the long table became a meme. But if a party has aims which are unacceptable for the others, there isn't much negotiations can lead to.
  - simonh 4y ago
    Right, by negotiate with Putin he means accept whatever terms Putin demanded.
- ClumsyPilot 4y ago
  Russian displomats demanded denazification of Ukraine. When pressed on the details, they didn't know what it meant. They can't know because they have a paranoid, ramblish (did you see the recent speech?) geneatric emperror and slave-ish, self desteuctive subservience.
- petre 4y ago
  One does not simply negotiate with the Russians. It only works until after the've been beaten them and they have their back to the wall.

Bud 4y ago

As xwdv points out, it's implied, inescapably, by two points: 1) it blames the EU, somehow, instead of Russia 2) if by some magical thinking one avoids blaming Russia somehow, the only other possible thing the EU could have done wrong is to have not somehow built a lot more of its own fossil-fuel infrastructure and production, earlier. Which isn't really a strong argument, but if you're trying really hard to avoid admitting that Russia is the problem, and you have a bone to pick about relying more on fossil fuels, that's the only trick in the bag.

adventured 4y ago
Russia is the primary problem. The secondary problem - as it pertains to the energy context - was the EU's (affluent Europe more broadly) wide failure to understand or accept what Russia is (and what consequences the Russian culture would inevitably produce again for Europe, namely wars of conquest against their neighbors).
Schroedingersat 4y ago
If they'd actually done the thing everyone is blaming it on (ie. spend vastly more on renewables than fossil fuels or nuclear) it wouldn't be a problem