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>Benefits of the Manifest V3 >none Tom here lists all the benefits of V3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTFqmfyM4TQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTFqmfyM

by rasz 4y ago

>Benefits of the Manifest V3 >none Tom here lists all the benefits of V3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTFqmfyM4TQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTFqmfyM4TQ

Closi 4y ago
Google: We love manifest because we love money, and hate things that get in-between us and more money.
IshKebab 4y ago
Come on. There are clear security and privacy benefits. You might not like the trade-off but pretending that there are no benefits just tells me that you're being disingenuous and I can ignore your opinion.
- rany_ 4y ago
  The benefits exist if you treat the user like an absolute buffoon that can't handle installing extensions. If you really wanted to, just put a massive warning screen before installing extensions that require dangerous permissions. I'm sure the future without MV2 will have users launching .exe files to mod Chrome which is much much worse (similar to what's going on with Discord and other Electron app mods).
  - jve 4y ago
    I'm not into position commenting Manifest V2 vs V3 as I don't write extensions. > The benefits exist if you treat the user like an absolute buffoon that can't handle installing extensions. If you really wanted to, just put a massive warning screen before installing extensions that require dangerous permissions. But... what different is it than installing software? And "big scary warning" is what one of things Windows UAC brought you. It helps some folks, but otherwise it is "just push OK". I like how Android/iOS handles - I can approve/reject specific permission upon request and only grant it while using app/this time only.
    - rany_ 4y ago
      Well, the big scary warning is important to grab the attention of people that don't understand the significance of installing said extension. You'd be surprised by the amount of people that are shocked by the fact that an extension they installed has blanket permissions.
      - madeofpalk 4y ago
        Exactly. You see the motivation now.
        rany_ 4y ago
        I see the "motivation" but I meant that if they were being genuine they should have attempted better extension install screens. The current one just lists "Access to all websites" as a normal permission as if it's no big deal.
  - random_cynic 4y ago
    > I'm sure the future without MV2 will have users launching .exe files to mod Chrome which is much much worse Average internet (hence chrome user) don't even know what mod means. They don't care about ads (at least not enough to actively make any change). If the ads become too annoying they'll just skip the video or won't visit a website again and the people serving the ads know that.
    - djvdq 4y ago
      > Average internet (hence chrome user) don't even know what mod means. They don't care about ads 43% of internet users are blocking ads. It's not only tech people who are doing this. https://earthweb.com/how-many-people-use-ad-blockers/ https://earthweb.com/how-many-people-use-ad-blockers/
      - wildrhythms 4y ago
        Do we just assume nobody in that 43% group is using iOS?
        jen20 4y ago
        Assuming that would be wrong. I use iOS and block ads agggressively.
    - mmis1000 4y ago
      > Average internet (hence chrome user) don't even know what mod means. Which is even more problematic. Because they will literally click random exe people send to them. And also the reason Edge decides to default to reject random unpopular unsigned exe downloaded from internet.
  - robertlagrant 4y ago
    People who don't understand browsers (i.e. almost anyone) aren't buffoons, any more than people who can't change their car's oil are buffoons. They just don't understand this rapidly changing field and they have a day job.
nicexe 4y ago
The "none" comment comes from the point of view developing this specific browser extension.
- ithkuil 4y ago
  Other extensions would possibly list some benefits but also possible more problems?

by rasz 4y ago

>Benefits of the Manifest V3 >none Tom here lists all the benefits of V3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTFqmfyM4TQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTFqmfyM4TQ

Closi 4y ago

Google: We love manifest because we love money, and hate things that get in-between us and more money.

IshKebab 4y ago

Come on. There are clear security and privacy benefits. You might not like the trade-off but pretending that there are no benefits just tells me that you're being disingenuous and I can ignore your opinion.

rany_ 4y ago
The benefits exist if you treat the user like an absolute buffoon that can't handle installing extensions. If you really wanted to, just put a massive warning screen before installing extensions that require dangerous permissions. I'm sure the future without MV2 will have users launching .exe files to mod Chrome which is much much worse (similar to what's going on with Discord and other Electron app mods).
- jve 4y ago
  I'm not into position commenting Manifest V2 vs V3 as I don't write extensions. > The benefits exist if you treat the user like an absolute buffoon that can't handle installing extensions. If you really wanted to, just put a massive warning screen before installing extensions that require dangerous permissions. But... what different is it than installing software? And "big scary warning" is what one of things Windows UAC brought you. It helps some folks, but otherwise it is "just push OK". I like how Android/iOS handles - I can approve/reject specific permission upon request and only grant it while using app/this time only.
  - rany_ 4y ago
    Well, the big scary warning is important to grab the attention of people that don't understand the significance of installing said extension. You'd be surprised by the amount of people that are shocked by the fact that an extension they installed has blanket permissions.
    - madeofpalk 4y ago
      Exactly. You see the motivation now.
      - rany_ 4y ago
        I see the "motivation" but I meant that if they were being genuine they should have attempted better extension install screens. The current one just lists "Access to all websites" as a normal permission as if it's no big deal.
- random_cynic 4y ago
  > I'm sure the future without MV2 will have users launching .exe files to mod Chrome which is much much worse Average internet (hence chrome user) don't even know what mod means. They don't care about ads (at least not enough to actively make any change). If the ads become too annoying they'll just skip the video or won't visit a website again and the people serving the ads know that.
  - djvdq 4y ago
    > Average internet (hence chrome user) don't even know what mod means. They don't care about ads 43% of internet users are blocking ads. It's not only tech people who are doing this. https://earthweb.com/how-many-people-use-ad-blockers/ https://earthweb.com/how-many-people-use-ad-blockers/
    - wildrhythms 4y ago
      Do we just assume nobody in that 43% group is using iOS?
      - jen20 4y ago
        Assuming that would be wrong. I use iOS and block ads agggressively.
  - mmis1000 4y ago
    > Average internet (hence chrome user) don't even know what mod means. Which is even more problematic. Because they will literally click random exe people send to them. And also the reason Edge decides to default to reject random unpopular unsigned exe downloaded from internet.
- robertlagrant 4y ago
  People who don't understand browsers (i.e. almost anyone) aren't buffoons, any more than people who can't change their car's oil are buffoons. They just don't understand this rapidly changing field and they have a day job.

nicexe 4y ago

The "none" comment comes from the point of view developing this specific browser extension.

ithkuil 4y ago
Other extensions would possibly list some benefits but also possible more problems?