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At work? For those lucky enough to have chargers at work, good luck when fighting for one. Also, I really hope the world keep shifting towards remote working; I

At work? For those lucky enough to have chargers at work, good luck when fighting for one. Also, I really hope the world keep shifting towards remote working; I won’t drive to the office just to charge my car.

brianwawok 4y ago
You have it backwards. Put chargers where people park cars. Don’t awkwardly drive to a random place to charge. For 75%? Of people that can be at home. For others work. For others the grocery store.
- nonethewiser 4y ago
  Most cars parked at "home" dont have access to a charger.
  - brianwawok 4y ago
    Most? In what country?
    - ralph84 4y ago
      Assuming they meant access to a L2 charger at home, every country? Sure L2 chargers can be installed, but in a lot of cases it requires upgrading the electrical service and replacing the electrical panel which isn't a home improvement project most car buyers are looking to undertake.
      - neon_electro 4y ago
        Which is why GM has an ongoing incentive program to try to alleviate that problem: https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/living-electric/home-charging/terms-conditions https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/living-electric/home-char...
        ralph84 4y ago
        > The electrical panel must have 40 amps of spare ampacity according to the load calculation for the new breaker This is where the incentive program breaks down and the 4- or 5-figure electrician quotes start for a lot of houses that were built in a time and place where natural gas powered all of the heavy appliances and panels were sized for 60- or 100-amp service.
    - esskay 4y ago
      The UK for one, and I dare say most of Europe. Our nations are vastly older than the US and were not purpose built for cars. Many here have on street parking, you can't dangle a cable from your house to your car (which may not be outside of your house). There's been arguments about putting them on lamp posts - ok, but again, cables. 1 lamp post for ~10 cars doesnt really work. Plucking a random average UK street off of Google maps - figure out how you charge cars at 6pm when everyones home from work and this road is full of cars on both sides of the street: https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4257624,-2.9412328,3a,60y,222.81h,75.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0CcOfoikC30AiVFd9U02AQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4257624,-2.9412328,3a,60y,22...
      - lambda_dn 4y ago
        This is false. In the UK most homes have a driveway, so fitting a charger is a no brainer.
        esskay 4y ago
        Many do - and for those of course they can fit a charger. Terrace houses in major cities often do not have any form of allocated parking, it's all on-street. You'd be sued pretty quickly if you dangled a cable across a public footpath and someone tripped over. Not seeing anyone coming up with a way to solve that pretty important issue.
        fragmede 4y ago
        We already manage electrically powered machines for the purpose of lighting the streets at night and for parking meters. Extending those to provide power to EVs isn’t too far fetched. https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/electric-vehicles-and-rapid-charging#on-this-page-1 https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/electric-vehicles-and-rapid...
      - hampereddustbin 4y ago
        >you can't dangle a cable from your house to your car (which may not be outside of your house). That must vary between countries, because I've seen tons of outlets on the outside walls of homes in Finland. They need a weatherproof extension cord, but it comes in handy for a lot of tools. Though most homes have at least a driveway, cars are generally shorter than homes, so they fit close by. The cost of free parking and where to park should really be reconsidered in cities though, as with your image, those exist here as well and are really bad places to drive in. IIRC in Japan they require people to prove a car has it's own dedicated parking space before they're allowed to get a car
  - colinmhayes 4y ago
    Vast majority of Americans live in a single family home that can easily add chargers. Those that don't can charge their car when they park it in a parking lot.

brianwawok 4y ago

You have it backwards. Put chargers where people park cars. Don’t awkwardly drive to a random place to charge. For 75%? Of people that can be at home. For others work. For others the grocery store.

nonethewiser 4y ago
Most cars parked at "home" dont have access to a charger.
- brianwawok 4y ago
  Most? In what country?
  - ralph84 4y ago
    Assuming they meant access to a L2 charger at home, every country? Sure L2 chargers can be installed, but in a lot of cases it requires upgrading the electrical service and replacing the electrical panel which isn't a home improvement project most car buyers are looking to undertake.
    - neon_electro 4y ago
      Which is why GM has an ongoing incentive program to try to alleviate that problem: https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/living-electric/home-charging/terms-conditions https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/living-electric/home-char...
      - ralph84 4y ago
        > The electrical panel must have 40 amps of spare ampacity according to the load calculation for the new breaker This is where the incentive program breaks down and the 4- or 5-figure electrician quotes start for a lot of houses that were built in a time and place where natural gas powered all of the heavy appliances and panels were sized for 60- or 100-amp service.
  - esskay 4y ago
    The UK for one, and I dare say most of Europe. Our nations are vastly older than the US and were not purpose built for cars. Many here have on street parking, you can't dangle a cable from your house to your car (which may not be outside of your house). There's been arguments about putting them on lamp posts - ok, but again, cables. 1 lamp post for ~10 cars doesnt really work. Plucking a random average UK street off of Google maps - figure out how you charge cars at 6pm when everyones home from work and this road is full of cars on both sides of the street: https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4257624,-2.9412328,3a,60y,222.81h,75.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0CcOfoikC30AiVFd9U02AQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4257624,-2.9412328,3a,60y,22...
    - lambda_dn 4y ago
      This is false. In the UK most homes have a driveway, so fitting a charger is a no brainer.
      - esskay 4y ago
        Many do - and for those of course they can fit a charger. Terrace houses in major cities often do not have any form of allocated parking, it's all on-street. You'd be sued pretty quickly if you dangled a cable across a public footpath and someone tripped over. Not seeing anyone coming up with a way to solve that pretty important issue.
        fragmede 4y ago
        We already manage electrically powered machines for the purpose of lighting the streets at night and for parking meters. Extending those to provide power to EVs isn’t too far fetched. https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/electric-vehicles-and-rapid-charging#on-this-page-1 https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/electric-vehicles-and-rapid...
    - hampereddustbin 4y ago
      >you can't dangle a cable from your house to your car (which may not be outside of your house). That must vary between countries, because I've seen tons of outlets on the outside walls of homes in Finland. They need a weatherproof extension cord, but it comes in handy for a lot of tools. Though most homes have at least a driveway, cars are generally shorter than homes, so they fit close by. The cost of free parking and where to park should really be reconsidered in cities though, as with your image, those exist here as well and are really bad places to drive in. IIRC in Japan they require people to prove a car has it's own dedicated parking space before they're allowed to get a car
- colinmhayes 4y ago
  Vast majority of Americans live in a single family home that can easily add chargers. Those that don't can charge their car when they park it in a parking lot.