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Electric is great for off-road - all that torque at low speeds! And you can recharge from anything you can get power from - not dependent on only diesel.

assttoasstmgr 4y ago
I regret to inform you that plugging your EV into a tree to charge only works in cartoons.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  I don't get why you're being sarcastic to me? You can recharge from mains, or a diesel generator, or a gas generator. Maybe put a big diesel field generator and tank static in a temporary camp location and then work out of that location charging each night.
  - northwest65 4y ago
    Because out in the bush there is no mains, no diesel generators, and no gas generators, so they probably regards comment as worse than useless, at a guess.
    - chrisseaton 4y ago
      There's no diesel in the bush either. So how do you refuel a diesel vehicle? You haul it in. How do you think a diesel generator would get into the bush? Haul it in with the diesel. An off-road tanker can carry 40 tonnes of diesel into a camp. A generator doesn't add much to that. Have you got much experience running an off-road operation at distance?
      - northwest65 4y ago
        A tanker, even empty, cannot get into the bush. Even an unprepared 4WD is often unwise to take into the bush. A few jerry cans of gas in the bed are no bother at all.
        chrisseaton 4y ago
        > A tanker, even empty, cannot get into the bush. I’ve literally personally driven a diesel tanker off-road through the Kenyan bush.
        nicbou 4y ago
        I was just thinking about the water trucks in Nepal. They go anywhere, it's impressive. You probably know things that the person you are replying to doesn't and arguing is futile. Nonetheless, electric isn't so great if you have to pack generators to make it work. It defeats the purpose, right? My comment up there was from the perspective of a long distance motorcycle traveler. When I look around, I see cars that are already packed: children on parents' knees, one child in the back, and luggage on top. A generator and fuel wouldn't be trivial to add to this. Above all, it means that fueling up becomes something you can only do where you stop. It's no longer a five minute break, but a constant logistical issue. I'm not saying that it's impossible, but it's a tough sell. Have you seen The Long Way Up? They attempt a Pan-American trip with electric bikes, and boy what a headache.
        northwest65 4y ago
        And I've forded rivers that would swallow your tanker truck. Just because you have done some basic bitch off roading doesn't mean you know the bush.
        nostrademons 4y ago
        If the river swallows your tanker truck, how do you answer his first question: > There's no diesel in the bush either. So how do you refuel a diesel vehicle?
        llampx 4y ago
        Ridiculous. Then what's happening in the bush except for being a rich person's safari playground?
        chrisseaton 4y ago
    - yazaddaruvala 4y ago
      Many people that do multi day car/RV camping, bring a generator.
      - theshrike79 4y ago
        People are building their own #vanlife vans nowadays with full electric systems using panels on the roof and maybe a few they can spread around on longer stays.
bluGill 4y ago
Off road implies not near the grid.. though if you are going to play you are fine, but some people get far enough out that they pack extra fuel.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  > if you are going to play you are fine I manage a fleet of off-road vehicles at work, and just came back from a camp location we were operating out of a wood clearing with no mains. We pack in our own generators and fuel for these periods where we can't access the grid, which could be used for charging.
  - minkzilla 4y ago
    It would be cool if they built a car with a generator in it so you wouldn't need to fill up the generator and then the generator charges the car. You could just put gas in the car!
    - chrisseaton 4y ago
      That’s actually already how the diesel-electric drive-train of a railway locomotive works - and coupled with a battery it would give the best of all combinations. Only downside is permanently lugging around the generator. This is what they’re looking at for some military vehicles.
devoutsalsa 4y ago
If you're hauling around a fossil fuel generator to plug charge your EV, that kind of defeats the purpose :) That's like using a giant fan to move the clouds so your solar panels work.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  > If you're hauling around a fossil fuel generator to plug charge your EV, that kind of defeats the purpose :) How does diesel get to where you need it to refuel except for being hauled around? With electric you have options. Charge off mains at home base 90% of the time. Then maybe you go to a camp and run off a generator for a couple of days a month.
  - nonethewiser 4y ago
    If only they made some sort of hybrid.
- theshrike79 4y ago
  Charging an EV with a generator is actually a more efficient way of using liquid fuel than exploding it in an engine. The generator runs at its peak efficiency RPM at all times, car engines do not. Combine that with the 90%+ efficiency of an electric motor and you're good.

assttoasstmgr 4y ago

I regret to inform you that plugging your EV into a tree to charge only works in cartoons.

chrisseaton 4y ago
I don't get why you're being sarcastic to me? You can recharge from mains, or a diesel generator, or a gas generator. Maybe put a big diesel field generator and tank static in a temporary camp location and then work out of that location charging each night.
- northwest65 4y ago
  Because out in the bush there is no mains, no diesel generators, and no gas generators, so they probably regards comment as worse than useless, at a guess.
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    There's no diesel in the bush either. So how do you refuel a diesel vehicle? You haul it in. How do you think a diesel generator would get into the bush? Haul it in with the diesel. An off-road tanker can carry 40 tonnes of diesel into a camp. A generator doesn't add much to that. Have you got much experience running an off-road operation at distance?
    - northwest65 4y ago
      A tanker, even empty, cannot get into the bush. Even an unprepared 4WD is often unwise to take into the bush. A few jerry cans of gas in the bed are no bother at all.
      - chrisseaton 4y ago
        > A tanker, even empty, cannot get into the bush. I’ve literally personally driven a diesel tanker off-road through the Kenyan bush.
        nicbou 4y ago
        I was just thinking about the water trucks in Nepal. They go anywhere, it's impressive. You probably know things that the person you are replying to doesn't and arguing is futile. Nonetheless, electric isn't so great if you have to pack generators to make it work. It defeats the purpose, right? My comment up there was from the perspective of a long distance motorcycle traveler. When I look around, I see cars that are already packed: children on parents' knees, one child in the back, and luggage on top. A generator and fuel wouldn't be trivial to add to this. Above all, it means that fueling up becomes something you can only do where you stop. It's no longer a five minute break, but a constant logistical issue. I'm not saying that it's impossible, but it's a tough sell. Have you seen The Long Way Up? They attempt a Pan-American trip with electric bikes, and boy what a headache.
        northwest65 4y ago
        And I've forded rivers that would swallow your tanker truck. Just because you have done some basic bitch off roading doesn't mean you know the bush.
        nostrademons 4y ago
        If the river swallows your tanker truck, how do you answer his first question: > There's no diesel in the bush either. So how do you refuel a diesel vehicle?
      - llampx 4y ago
        Ridiculous. Then what's happening in the bush except for being a rich person's safari playground?
        chrisseaton 4y ago
  - yazaddaruvala 4y ago
    Many people that do multi day car/RV camping, bring a generator.
    - theshrike79 4y ago
      People are building their own #vanlife vans nowadays with full electric systems using panels on the roof and maybe a few they can spread around on longer stays.

bluGill 4y ago

Off road implies not near the grid.. though if you are going to play you are fine, but some people get far enough out that they pack extra fuel.

chrisseaton 4y ago
> if you are going to play you are fine I manage a fleet of off-road vehicles at work, and just came back from a camp location we were operating out of a wood clearing with no mains. We pack in our own generators and fuel for these periods where we can't access the grid, which could be used for charging.
- minkzilla 4y ago
  It would be cool if they built a car with a generator in it so you wouldn't need to fill up the generator and then the generator charges the car. You could just put gas in the car!
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    That’s actually already how the diesel-electric drive-train of a railway locomotive works - and coupled with a battery it would give the best of all combinations. Only downside is permanently lugging around the generator. This is what they’re looking at for some military vehicles.

devoutsalsa 4y ago

If you're hauling around a fossil fuel generator to plug charge your EV, that kind of defeats the purpose :) That's like using a giant fan to move the clouds so your solar panels work.

chrisseaton 4y ago
> If you're hauling around a fossil fuel generator to plug charge your EV, that kind of defeats the purpose :) How does diesel get to where you need it to refuel except for being hauled around? With electric you have options. Charge off mains at home base 90% of the time. Then maybe you go to a camp and run off a generator for a couple of days a month.
- nonethewiser 4y ago
  If only they made some sort of hybrid.
theshrike79 4y ago
Charging an EV with a generator is actually a more efficient way of using liquid fuel than exploding it in an engine. The generator runs at its peak efficiency RPM at all times, car engines do not. Combine that with the 90%+ efficiency of an electric motor and you're good.