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Fiber is not needed. 50mbps is enough for 1080, 60fps. You just need lowish latency, so no radio, no wifi. Worked fine for me on GFN, Paperspace and Shadow.

by krzyk 4y ago

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MichaelCollins 4y ago
No wifi damns the premise completely, wifi is so ubiquitous that it has become synonymous with internet access itself. Cafes and hotels advertise having "wifi", not "internet access". College libraries label ethernet cables as "wifi cables" so that young students understand their purpose. The average laptop on the market doesn't have an ethernet port, nor do any of the low power tablets/phones on which Stadia might otherwise make sense.
- jefftk 4y ago
  I mean, the whole thing clearly didn't work out, but not having a built-in ethernet port is easily solved with a $10 adapter.
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
    Most people would have to buy the cable too, and either run it through their walls, under doors, or restrict their play to whatever room their router is in.
    - pdimitar 4y ago
      Normal users are not that helpless so as to give up when faced with this problem. I maintain contact with several non-tech people. When they realized that e.g. Valorant will work better with a cable they very quickly deciphered the USB-to-Ethernet adapters market and asked a father or a friend to run their cable properly. Took each of them 2-3 days and they're much happier casual gamers now. Where there is a need, a way is found. When the need arises, people learn. Seen it happen several times.
      - MichaelCollins 4y ago
        I'm not saying people can't figure it out. But I do think it substantially negates the appeal of the product.
        Etherlord87 4y ago
        Exactly. Once you decide to route cables in your walls, that can become quite an investment. Not necessarily exclusive, but why not also just invest in a PC then, rather than stop at a half-measure...
        t-writescode 4y ago
        In the walls? I’ve seen plenty of places with just lots of wires all about, usually tactfully hidden against walls. Rich people wire things in the wall, everyone else just has cables strung about the place.
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- smoldesu 4y ago
  Wifi works fine for it, honestly. As noted elsewhere, the biggest problem is latency-based. Using WiFi will probably add ~30-50ms of latency to your setup, which is bad, but also consider that both the PS5 and Xbox Series X have over 100ms of input lag alone. Once you do the math, Stadia over Wifi isn't any less responsive than playing on console. As long as your Wifi connection is half-decent and you aren't playing some Chinese MMO, your experience should be fine.
  - vel0city 4y ago
    If your WiFi connection adds 30-50ms of average latency you seriously need to stop living in a microwave oven or upgrade to something after 802.11b. With an Intel AX201 WiFi chip connecting to a UniFi6 Lite my average latency is 1ms to the router. Even a cheap and somewhat compromised WiFi chipset/antenna can do way better than 30-50ms latency. Here's an original Pi Zero W connecting through the same AP hitting the local router: 64 packets transmitted, 64 received, 0% packet loss, time 156ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 2.293/6.699/63.116/7.364 ms This is while I've got streaming music playing on my phone on WiFi connected to Bluetooth headphones, streaming video on the WiFi TV, and other wireless network traffic happening.
    - jimmydorry 4y ago
      >64 packets transmitted, 64 received, 0% packet loss, time 156ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 2.293/6.699/63.116/7.364 ms A 63ms delay on some packets can totally ruin the user experience even if the average is relatively low... and this is the best a near-optimal (in the real world) setup can do. If you left your test running longer than 64 packets, I'm sure you would see at least a 100ms max. GP wasn't far-off with their assertion that running on WiFi can easily add 30-50ms of latency. Their wording was a bit loose though.
      - vel0city 4y ago
        That 63ms packet was one packet. It's way out of the standard deviation. You don't point to the max and state that's the typical experience of the network. If we only looked at max values then Amazon isn't 2 day shipping it's like 1 month because some delivery sometime took that long, even though like 95% of deliveries are within two days (just an example, don't know what their actual rates are) And on top of that, that's with an extremely cheap chip with a compromised antenna inside a network closet with a TCXO literally right on top of the antenna running on 2.4FHz. My 5GHz example with a nice AX chip and decent laptop lid edge antenna never experienced any pings higher than 1ms.
- TechnoWomble 4y ago
  There’s no such as an Ethernet cable. That’s just the “WiFi cable” of a different generation.
  - MichaelCollins 4y ago
    Yeah yeah, Cat 5 with 8P8C connectors. The shift in terminology is not the point, the shift in terminology is the evidence of wifi's ubiquity.
- michaelmrose 4y ago
  Virtually all devices that don't possess an Ethernet port merely need an adapter. At some point in time we can't fix the entire universe because people don't the know the fuck what they are talking about. Here's what people want. They want to plug their gig service into their 11 year old cable modem that supports 250Mbps and plug in their 12 year old "g" router which if their service is "good" or "strong" enough it will somehow make radio waves burst through walls like the kool aid man screaming "oh ya" as it drives gigabit speed to all devices on multiple floors of the house simultaneously somehow defying both common sense and the laws of physics. Meanwhile people will drop $3000 a year on cable TV but not the cost of installing decent hardware. It is perfectly normal for at least some devices sometimes MANY devices with a connection in the neighborhood of 10Mbps with random interruptions. Good wifi would mean a router per floor with a wired backhaul with additional wireless extenders as needed if you expect to have actual fast internet away from the main router.
- Animats 4y ago
  > The average laptop on the market doesn't have an Ethernet port Fortunately, USB-C to Ethernet adapters start at $16.
fwip 4y ago
Wifi is fine too. I played a good bit of Destiny on it, and the latency was barely noticeable most of the time. I'd only notice it for maybe 2-3 seconds out of a 2 hour play session.
sofixa 4y ago
WiFi works fine as long as it's 5GHz.
- krzyk 4y ago
  Well, works, but wifi (ac) has unpredictable latency, so it works for few minutes and then suddenly you get s 1s freeze - switched to ethernet.
  - Dylan16807 4y ago
    I've experienced that at times, but it was because my router was defective on certain settings. You're not getting blown out by a microwave on 5GHz so there's no reason to have a problem like that except things being broken.

Fiber is not needed. 50mbps is enough for 1080, 60fps. You just need lowish latency, so no radio, no wifi. Worked fine for me on GFN, Paperspace and Shadow.

by krzyk 4y ago

Fiber is not needed. 50mbps is enough for 1080, 60fps. You just need lowish latency, so no radio, no wifi. Worked fine for me on GFN, Paperspace and Shadow.

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MichaelCollins 4y ago

No wifi damns the premise completely, wifi is so ubiquitous that it has become synonymous with internet access itself. Cafes and hotels advertise having "wifi", not "internet access". College libraries label ethernet cables as "wifi cables" so that young students understand their purpose. The average laptop on the market doesn't have an ethernet port, nor do any of the low power tablets/phones on which Stadia might otherwise make sense.

jefftk 4y ago
I mean, the whole thing clearly didn't work out, but not having a built-in ethernet port is easily solved with a $10 adapter.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  Most people would have to buy the cable too, and either run it through their walls, under doors, or restrict their play to whatever room their router is in.
  - pdimitar 4y ago
    Normal users are not that helpless so as to give up when faced with this problem. I maintain contact with several non-tech people. When they realized that e.g. Valorant will work better with a cable they very quickly deciphered the USB-to-Ethernet adapters market and asked a father or a friend to run their cable properly. Took each of them 2-3 days and they're much happier casual gamers now. Where there is a need, a way is found. When the need arises, people learn. Seen it happen several times.
    - MichaelCollins 4y ago
      I'm not saying people can't figure it out. But I do think it substantially negates the appeal of the product.
      - Etherlord87 4y ago
        Exactly. Once you decide to route cables in your walls, that can become quite an investment. Not necessarily exclusive, but why not also just invest in a PC then, rather than stop at a half-measure...
        t-writescode 4y ago
        In the walls? I’ve seen plenty of places with just lots of wires all about, usually tactfully hidden against walls. Rich people wire things in the wall, everyone else just has cables strung about the place.
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smoldesu 4y ago
Wifi works fine for it, honestly. As noted elsewhere, the biggest problem is latency-based. Using WiFi will probably add ~30-50ms of latency to your setup, which is bad, but also consider that both the PS5 and Xbox Series X have over 100ms of input lag alone. Once you do the math, Stadia over Wifi isn't any less responsive than playing on console. As long as your Wifi connection is half-decent and you aren't playing some Chinese MMO, your experience should be fine.
- vel0city 4y ago
  If your WiFi connection adds 30-50ms of average latency you seriously need to stop living in a microwave oven or upgrade to something after 802.11b. With an Intel AX201 WiFi chip connecting to a UniFi6 Lite my average latency is 1ms to the router. Even a cheap and somewhat compromised WiFi chipset/antenna can do way better than 30-50ms latency. Here's an original Pi Zero W connecting through the same AP hitting the local router: 64 packets transmitted, 64 received, 0% packet loss, time 156ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 2.293/6.699/63.116/7.364 ms This is while I've got streaming music playing on my phone on WiFi connected to Bluetooth headphones, streaming video on the WiFi TV, and other wireless network traffic happening.
  - jimmydorry 4y ago
    >64 packets transmitted, 64 received, 0% packet loss, time 156ms rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 2.293/6.699/63.116/7.364 ms A 63ms delay on some packets can totally ruin the user experience even if the average is relatively low... and this is the best a near-optimal (in the real world) setup can do. If you left your test running longer than 64 packets, I'm sure you would see at least a 100ms max. GP wasn't far-off with their assertion that running on WiFi can easily add 30-50ms of latency. Their wording was a bit loose though.
    - vel0city 4y ago
      That 63ms packet was one packet. It's way out of the standard deviation. You don't point to the max and state that's the typical experience of the network. If we only looked at max values then Amazon isn't 2 day shipping it's like 1 month because some delivery sometime took that long, even though like 95% of deliveries are within two days (just an example, don't know what their actual rates are) And on top of that, that's with an extremely cheap chip with a compromised antenna inside a network closet with a TCXO literally right on top of the antenna running on 2.4FHz. My 5GHz example with a nice AX chip and decent laptop lid edge antenna never experienced any pings higher than 1ms.
TechnoWomble 4y ago
There’s no such as an Ethernet cable. That’s just the “WiFi cable” of a different generation.
- MichaelCollins 4y ago
  Yeah yeah, Cat 5 with 8P8C connectors. The shift in terminology is not the point, the shift in terminology is the evidence of wifi's ubiquity.
michaelmrose 4y ago
Virtually all devices that don't possess an Ethernet port merely need an adapter. At some point in time we can't fix the entire universe because people don't the know the fuck what they are talking about. Here's what people want. They want to plug their gig service into their 11 year old cable modem that supports 250Mbps and plug in their 12 year old "g" router which if their service is "good" or "strong" enough it will somehow make radio waves burst through walls like the kool aid man screaming "oh ya" as it drives gigabit speed to all devices on multiple floors of the house simultaneously somehow defying both common sense and the laws of physics. Meanwhile people will drop $3000 a year on cable TV but not the cost of installing decent hardware. It is perfectly normal for at least some devices sometimes MANY devices with a connection in the neighborhood of 10Mbps with random interruptions. Good wifi would mean a router per floor with a wired backhaul with additional wireless extenders as needed if you expect to have actual fast internet away from the main router.
Animats 4y ago
> The average laptop on the market doesn't have an Ethernet port Fortunately, USB-C to Ethernet adapters start at $16.

fwip 4y ago

Wifi is fine too. I played a good bit of Destiny on it, and the latency was barely noticeable most of the time. I'd only notice it for maybe 2-3 seconds out of a 2 hour play session.

sofixa 4y ago

WiFi works fine as long as it's 5GHz.

krzyk 4y ago
Well, works, but wifi (ac) has unpredictable latency, so it works for few minutes and then suddenly you get s 1s freeze - switched to ethernet.
- Dylan16807 4y ago
  I've experienced that at times, but it was because my router was defective on certain settings. You're not getting blown out by a microwave on 5GHz so there's no reason to have a problem like that except things being broken.