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Violence against men by women isn't socially considered violence.

• at_a_remove 4y ago
  Similarly, circumcision is not regarded with the disgust and horror as FGM is.
  • disgruntledphd2 4y ago
    I spent valuable credits in my degree arguing that it should be. Clearly I didn't make a good argument, as I didn't get a good grade ;)
  • yucky 4y ago
    In all fairness though, these don't really seem comparable considering that FGM is only done to reduce/eliminate sexual pleasure for females and that's not the case for male circumcision.
    • BlargMcLarg 4y ago
      You can say the same for most cases of male circumcision. No, it's not that hard to wash the weewee properly. No, most men will not suffer problems. The adult world outside the US isn't having massive health problems over the lack of circumcision.
      • yucky 4y ago
        >You can say the same for most cases of male circumcision. No you can't. Do you think circumcised men don't fully enjoy sex? Where did you get that idea from?
        • BlargMcLarg 4y ago
          You said "reduce/eliminate". It most certainly reduces, as far as I know. I also don't see your point in being pedantic. Both are procedures which do not benefit the majority and are an active effort to make most lives worse (be it unknowingly or knowingly). The only case for male circumcision, is the extreme minority of men who would suffer otherwise. Surely you're not going to make your case on this petty a detail.
          • yucky 4y ago
            >It most certainly reduces, as far as I know. That would be news to hundreds of millions of men. >Surely you're not going to make your case on this petty a detail. I think any sane person would see removal of the clitoris to be quite different.
            • Thiez 4y ago
              There are several variants of FGM, and not all involve removal of the clitoris. The most benign forms involve a symbolic pin prick that is certainly less damaging to the genitals and future sexual pleasure than removal of the foreskin. And yet all types of "female circumcision" are literally referred to as mutilation, and considered bad. Will you argue in favor of allowing the pin-prick variant for baby girls, since you support a more traumatic operation for baby boys?
          • verisimilitudes 4y ago
            >Surely you're not going to make your case on this petty a detail. It's called pilpul and he obviously will.
    • dijit 4y ago
      There are multiple types of FGM, one of them involves removing the clitoris and the other is extremely similar to circumcision.
    • archon1410 4y ago
    • quantumwannabe 4y ago
      It literally is done to reduce sexual pleasure. Circumcision was popularized in the US as a way to stop masturbation, which doctors believe was responsible for various social and medical problems. From Wikipedia’s bios on two of the people responsible for the spread of the practice, Lewis Sayre and John Harvey Kellogg: > In 1870, Sayre began using circumcision as a purported cure for several cases of young boys diagnosed with paralysis or significant motor problems. He thought the procedure ameliorated such problems based on a "reflex neurosis" theory of disease, which held that excessive stimulation of the genitals (i.e., masturbation) was a disturbance to the equilibrium of the nervous system and a cause of systemic problems. >Kellogg did promote extensive measures to prevent masturbation addiction. He circumcised himself at age 37. His methods for the "rehabilitation" of masturbation addicts included measures up to the point of cutting off part of the genitals, without anesthetic, on both sexes; he wrote men who did should be circumcised and women that did should have carbolic acid applied to their clitoral glans.
  • mensetmanusman 4y ago
    Interestingly, both reduce the pleasure for women.