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Perhaps unrelated, but there's the large problem of unaddressed spousal abuse that victimizes men. Self-reported data from here in Canada[0] shows that men are

Perhaps unrelated, but there's the large problem of unaddressed spousal abuse that victimizes men. Self-reported data from here in Canada[0] shows that men are more likely to experience spousal violence overall, albeit roughly half as likely to experience sexual assault or a serious beating. But there are no shelters for men in most provinces, and many shelters that accept children will reject male children over a certain age. Moreover, based on court-enforced outcomes, men who leave an abusive home face a serious risk of significantly diminished custody and access in the future[1]. The fact is, a lot of Canadian men are living in abusive homes with nowhere to turn and the knowledge that if they leave their children will be left to face their abuser alone. 0: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2016001/article/14303/01-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/85-002-x/2016001/article... 1: https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/jr/jf-pf/2017/nov02.html https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/jr/jf-pf/2017/nov02.html

throwawaysleep 4y ago
Violence against men by women isn't socially considered violence.
- at_a_remove 4y ago
  Similarly, circumcision is not regarded with the disgust and horror as FGM is.
  - disgruntledphd2 4y ago
    I spent valuable credits in my degree arguing that it should be. Clearly I didn't make a good argument, as I didn't get a good grade ;)
  - yucky 4y ago
    In all fairness though, these don't really seem comparable considering that FGM is only done to reduce/eliminate sexual pleasure for females and that's not the case for male circumcision.
    - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
      You can say the same for most cases of male circumcision. No, it's not that hard to wash the weewee properly. No, most men will not suffer problems. The adult world outside the US isn't having massive health problems over the lack of circumcision.
      - yucky 4y ago
        >You can say the same for most cases of male circumcision. No you can't. Do you think circumcised men don't fully enjoy sex? Where did you get that idea from?
        BlargMcLarg 4y ago
        You said "reduce/eliminate". It most certainly reduces, as far as I know. I also don't see your point in being pedantic. Both are procedures which do not benefit the majority and are an active effort to make most lives worse (be it unknowingly or knowingly). The only case for male circumcision, is the extreme minority of men who would suffer otherwise. Surely you're not going to make your case on this petty a detail.
        yucky 4y ago
        >It most certainly reduces, as far as I know. That would be news to hundreds of millions of men. >Surely you're not going to make your case on this petty a detail. I think any sane person would see removal of the clitoris to be quite different.
        Thiez 4y ago
        There are several variants of FGM, and not all involve removal of the clitoris. The most benign forms involve a symbolic pin prick that is certainly less damaging to the genitals and future sexual pleasure than removal of the foreskin. And yet all types of "female circumcision" are literally referred to as mutilation, and considered bad. Will you argue in favor of allowing the pin-prick variant for baby girls, since you support a more traumatic operation for baby boys?
  - mensetmanusman 4y ago
    Interestingly, both reduce the pleasure for women.
phpisthebest 4y ago
>>But there are no shelters for men in most provinces People have tried, the last person I am aware of that tried to get a mens shelter off the ground was harassed to the point of suicide, and faced extreme resistance and protesting in attempting to fund it. There is lots of government funds for womens shelters, and zero government funds for mens shelters

throwawaysleep 4y ago

Violence against men by women isn't socially considered violence.

at_a_remove 4y ago
Similarly, circumcision is not regarded with the disgust and horror as FGM is.
- disgruntledphd2 4y ago
  I spent valuable credits in my degree arguing that it should be. Clearly I didn't make a good argument, as I didn't get a good grade ;)
- yucky 4y ago
  In all fairness though, these don't really seem comparable considering that FGM is only done to reduce/eliminate sexual pleasure for females and that's not the case for male circumcision.
  - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
    You can say the same for most cases of male circumcision. No, it's not that hard to wash the weewee properly. No, most men will not suffer problems. The adult world outside the US isn't having massive health problems over the lack of circumcision.
    - yucky 4y ago
      >You can say the same for most cases of male circumcision. No you can't. Do you think circumcised men don't fully enjoy sex? Where did you get that idea from?
      - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
        You said "reduce/eliminate". It most certainly reduces, as far as I know. I also don't see your point in being pedantic. Both are procedures which do not benefit the majority and are an active effort to make most lives worse (be it unknowingly or knowingly). The only case for male circumcision, is the extreme minority of men who would suffer otherwise. Surely you're not going to make your case on this petty a detail.
        yucky 4y ago
        >It most certainly reduces, as far as I know. That would be news to hundreds of millions of men. >Surely you're not going to make your case on this petty a detail. I think any sane person would see removal of the clitoris to be quite different.
        Thiez 4y ago
        There are several variants of FGM, and not all involve removal of the clitoris. The most benign forms involve a symbolic pin prick that is certainly less damaging to the genitals and future sexual pleasure than removal of the foreskin. And yet all types of "female circumcision" are literally referred to as mutilation, and considered bad. Will you argue in favor of allowing the pin-prick variant for baby girls, since you support a more traumatic operation for baby boys?
- mensetmanusman 4y ago
  Interestingly, both reduce the pleasure for women.

phpisthebest 4y ago

>>But there are no shelters for men in most provinces People have tried, the last person I am aware of that tried to get a mens shelter off the ground was harassed to the point of suicide, and faced extreme resistance and protesting in attempting to fund it. There is lots of government funds for womens shelters, and zero government funds for mens shelters